Putin ‘privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states’
Putin ‘privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states’
By Justin Huggler 18 Sep 2014 Via The Telegraph
(Joe Biden to Putin: ‘Mr. Prime Minister, I’m looking into your eyes, and I don’t think you have a soul.’.-LS)
President Vladimir Putin privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states, according to a record of a conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart.
“If I wanted, in two days I could have Russian troops not only in Kiev, but also in Riga, Vilnius, Tallinn, Warsaw and Bucharest,” Mr Putin allegedly told President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine, reported Süddeustche Zeitung, a German newspaper.
If true, this would be the first time that Mr Putin has threatened to invade Nato or EU members. Any threat to send Russian troops into the capitals of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland and Romania would cause grave alarm among Western leaders.
If Mr Putin were to act on this, Britain could find itself at war with Russia. All five countries mentioned in this alleged conversation are members of both the EU and Nato. They are covered by the security guarantee in Article V of Nato’s founding treaty, which states that “an attack on one is an attack on all”. In a speech in Tallinn earlier this month, President Barack Obama confirmed Nato’s commitment to this doctrine.
Mr Putin’s alleged threat bears similarities to remarks he made to Jose Manuel Barroso, the president of the European Commission, in which he warned: “If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks”.
Süddeustche Zeitung claims to have seen a European Union memorandum of a meeting between Mr Barroso and Mr Poroshenko in Kiev last week, during which the latter is said to have described Mr Putin’s threat.
The Russian president made these remarks in series of telephone conversations with Mr Poroshenko over the current ceasefire in eastern Ukraine.
Mr Putin also warned Mr Poroshenko not to put too much faith in the EU, saying that Russia could exert its influence and bring about a “blocking minority” among member states.
On Tuesday, Ukraine ratified a historic Association Agreement with the EU, placing the country on the path towards eventual EU membership. It was the refusal of the former president, Viktor Yanukovych, to sign this agreement last year that triggered the Ukraine crisis.
The EU recently announced further sanctions against Russia, focusing on the energy, financial and arms sectors. But there have been divisions among member states over sanctions, with many worried about the impact on their own economies.
The Baltic states are particularly nervous about Russian intentions, and Mr Obama sought to reassure them with his speech in Tallinn earlier this month.
“If you ever ask again ‘Who will come to help?’ you’ll know the answer: the Nato alliance, including the armed forces of the United States of America,” he said. “We’ll be here for Estonia. We will be here for Latvia. We will be here for Lithuania.”
Mr Poroshenko is the only alleged source for Mr Putin’s latest threat, and there will be concerns he might be motivated to exaggerate in order to strengthen EU and Nato support for Ukraine.
The European Commission refused to confirm or deny whether Mr Barroso had held such a conversation with Mr Poroshenko. “We will not conduct diplomacy in the press or discuss extracts of confidential conversations,” said Pia Ahrenkilde Hansen, the Commission spokesperson. “What matters to the EU and the Commission is to contribute to lasting peace, stability and prosperity in Ukraine.”
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WarSclerotic 
September 22, 2014 at 4:55 AM
I just don’t think anything Obama says means anything…lets face it…he has lied about issues involving security for his own military, who is crazy enough to believe he has any commitment to NATO..words devoid of action are meaningless…Putin can take anything he wants..the US will do nothing except condemn “in the strongest terms” The good thing is he might not want the rest of Europe.
September 22, 2014 at 5:00 AM
What about Germany, France and England. Shouldn’t they step up? THEY ARE IN FUCKEN EUROPE AFTER ALL, ARE THEY NOT!!!!!!
September 22, 2014 at 9:17 AM
Stepping up top what ?
You mean stepping into the next USA foreign politic disaster ?
September 22, 2014 at 5:33 AM
Hey Europe, start spending your own taxpayers money and spill a little European blood on your own defence. Stop expecting US taxpayers and American blood to bail you out time and time again.
September 22, 2014 at 9:14 AM
John see it in this way : as long Europe is using the dollar as trading currency and buying USA bonds we want something back !
And we just using USA best export product, we want just the best for our assistance to keep the balloon full of hot air !
September 22, 2014 at 1:01 PM
Joop, it’s time for Europe to srap on a set and deal with what’s in its own backyard. If America was having troubles in Central America would EUROPE coming running to help? FAT CHANCE!
September 22, 2014 at 2:31 PM
Depends , depends, John you see it still as helping i see it as protecting own interest , and it is nice as the interests are the same, but what if not ?
The USA is not Santa !
Central Europe is strategical important for the US , Europe knows that, we are not dumb asses you know, we are playing this games a way longer than the USA.
Read this, it is in German , trow it trough a translator.
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/09/20/ende-der-isolation-russland-bei-g20-gipfel-willkommen/
September 22, 2014 at 3:28 PM
Granted, the EU buys US bonds and US products. But with all the expense involved in ‘leading the charge’ to war, the US dollar is under attack by other less stable currencies and is creating a ripe environment for rising inflation. Leading the charge in yet another war will blow the deficit through the roof and further damage all who base their trade on the US dollar….something our ‘friends’ in China and Russia would love to see. A little help would go a long way. Otherwise, we need to stay home, build up our missile defense like Israel, and heal our fiscal wounds.
September 22, 2014 at 4:37 PM
LS do you missed this ?
And you are willing to move the front line from Europe to the US home ground ?
Central Europe is strategical important for the US , Europe knows that, we are not dumb asses you know, we are playing this games a way longer than the USA.
In a deal both sides need some profit, Europe is keeping the dollar upright and the US trow protection into the deal, but we are getting some nasty feelings about that protecting thing .
It seems now that it is a bit more than protecting, more an offense thing, like poking the bear , we are not so charmed of that.
We do not like to be used as the battlefield between the USA and Russia !
September 22, 2014 at 4:52 PM
I see your point Joop, but no one in the EU and NATO have been attacked…yet. But I’m sure if and when this happens (heaven forbid), the US will honor its commitment to NATO, whether Obama likes it or not. I agree with JP that the EU needs to shift from social spending to more military spending, something the US may need to do in the near future.
September 22, 2014 at 5:09 PM
Nato is completely changed under the pressure from the USA, from a defending position to an offense position, they changed the rules slowly but sure.
Dig into it
But a part of our own politics working in the same direction .
September 22, 2014 at 9:10 PM
Joop you’re not hearing. The U.S. can no longer bare the load, Europe MUST spend more on its own defence. Stop dodging that reality.
September 22, 2014 at 9:27 PM
The USA has to , otherwise the USA is lost and going up into a new power block, woh ho there, is that not just the meaning of this all ?
Do you get my drift ?
Try to see it with a world view and not sole from an USA patriotic point.
The last bump in the road to a western power block with one government .
The UN and the NATO call the shots !
September 22, 2014 at 9:47 PM
“Do you get my drift ?”
Actually I don’t.
September 22, 2014 at 10:17 PM
As i suspected, we will see , all hopes for a new president ?
But who is the real big boss ?
The soap episodes renewed every 4 years, long live the epitome of the democracy, voting for the dumb ass !
September 22, 2014 at 10:22 PM
“Americans are not going to go back in there, because we’ve learned a lot,” Kerry said, interviewed by NBC on Monday morning. “And this is a fight for the region. Every country in the region is deeply threatened by this. And that includes Iran, that includes Lebanon. It includes all of the neighborhood. And it is absolutely fair and appropriate to expect that that region will fight for itself.”
Badabing Badaboom. Is this clear enough!
September 22, 2014 at 10:51 PM
Is Israel laying in the middle east ?
September 23, 2014 at 3:14 AM
Joop all your melodramatic BS fools no one. From now on in Europe you either carry your fair share or you’re on your own. PURE AND SIMPLE!!!
Now you can rant and rage all you want, but that’s the way it will be. And there’s not a damn thing you can babble about that will change that reality.
September 23, 2014 at 3:55 AM
Joop, hope this helps you with your education on global realities.
Don’t be hard on yourself this is deep reading👽
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/26/the-u-s-wants-its-allies-to-spend-more-on-defense-heres-how-much-theyre-shelling-out/
September 23, 2014 at 4:04 AM
Hey Joop more homework for you.💂
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-09-05/nato-to-defend-east-against-russia-bickers-over-who-pays🐊
September 22, 2014 at 6:39 PM
“Central Europe is strategical important for the US , Europe knows that, we are not dumb asses you know, we are playing this games a way longer than the USA.”
No one said you Guys are dumb, it fact you were smart to focus your monetary policy towards social spending as you counted on Uncle Sam to cover your backs militarily. All I’m saying those days are done. It was fun while it lasted but the game is up. Europe now needs to pony more up for their own defence.
During the Cold War Capitalism/democracy was able to spend on military and grow its economy for its citizens. Communism was able to build its military but not build a viable economy for it citizens, thus it finally imploded.
American capitalism nearly imploded itself in 2008 as even capitalism/democracy reached the breaking point of funding a world wide military and a strong economy for it citizens.
Many on this blog have said America is in decline. Well if it is (I personally do not believe it) it’s because it’s been try to hold the entire free world on its shoulders. No more, America will need to cut/streamline its military spending and the rest of the free world must pick up the slack. Europe you can no longer eat your cake and have it too.
September 22, 2014 at 7:02 PM
John, central Europe is now more important to the US than ever before , financial and strategical , if it was important from an all powerful position in the world it is even more important from a declining powerful position in the world, but there is a danger that Europe will be chosen as the battle field and we know that.
But i agree with you that the it is better for Europe that the next WW will fought out at USA soil, and that will happen if the USA pulls out of Europe .
At the moment i,am more afraid for the USA/Nato politics than from Russia .
Where do you wanna have your fist defense line in Europe or on the beaches of California ?
Even economical Europe is a buffer for the USA.
PS: the cold war never ended, but change face !
September 23, 2014 at 2:09 AM
Meh
September 23, 2014 at 2:34 AM
John let quit the crap, get yourself a passport and do some traveling, there is a whole world behind ketchup ally !
September 22, 2014 at 10:48 PM
America In Decline? That’s Still Just A Myth
America is not in decline. One of the most widespread media narratives of the 21st century does not hold up to inspection
Please read more here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robasghar/2013/07/03/america-in-decline-thats-still-just-a-myth/
September 22, 2014 at 10:52 PM
Yep , it is doing great !
September 22, 2014 at 10:55 PM
Political decline, yes. We’ll get past the speed bump that is Barak Obama and things will get better. I just hope the rest of the world can control the urge to blow itself up till then.
September 23, 2014 at 12:16 AM
I hope the same as you LS, but i have my doubts
September 23, 2014 at 12:43 AM
The Hillary Letters
Hillary Clinton, Saul Alinsky correspondence revealed
http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-letters/
September 23, 2014 at 1:50 AM
Hey Europe
écouter s’il vous plaît
Hagel was even more explicit at the defense ministers meeting in June when he said “over-dependence on any one country for critical capabilities brings with it risks.” One of these risks is that the U.S. will soon tell its allies, if you don’t invest much in your defense, neither will we. The U.S. will “rebalance” its own shrinking defense dollars to allies and partners that share the security burden more equitably. Too many European leaders refuse to realize that this long-festering problem is having a dangerously corrosive effect on the Alliance.
The Fucken free ride Is over.
September 23, 2014 at 2:06 AM
Yep no more dollar as trading currency and no more buying worthless USA bonds, a straight pad to the grave.
Will china free you from your own government, at a prince of course ?
Or just starting WWIII as bad medicine , we see the danger of a USA with is back to the economical wall, that is why we still allow you guys sucking on the tits of the world to keep the dollar upright, that is the use of being the most powerful militarily country in the world.
but for how long can this going on ?
September 23, 2014 at 12:56 AM
You know LS, it’s funny how some on this blog try to run down America but then in the very next breath say, but still need to defend us.
Such hypocrisy……
September 23, 2014 at 12:59 AM
Time for the hypocrites to grab a gun and DEFEND THEMSELVES!!!!!!
September 23, 2014 at 1:12 AM
No boots on the ground !
Defending against who ?
September 23, 2014 at 1:05 AM
Perhaps is my English not good enough but i stated that it is in the INTEREST of the USA to defend central Europe , and we making use of it, just global politics.
And it is not running down the USA but just stating facts, if you be on the pad to make false statements to get your point, i,am done with you and end this discussion.
Grow up .
September 23, 2014 at 1:13 AM
Joop it’s in American interest to cut its deficit spending that’s what’s best for American. What’s best for Europe ie. Germany, Great Britian and France to name a few countries is to up its spending on self defence. Those countries need to step up.
But since you don’t like the truth take your ball and go home!
September 23, 2014 at 1:16 AM
Where do you wanna have your fist defense line in Europe or on the beaches of California ?
That is the truth, and the whole truth !
September 23, 2014 at 1:26 AM
We expect the Europeans to man the first line of the free worlds defense in Europe. We expect them to spend up and carry their weight. Joop is this truly so hard for you to comprehend? We expect the Europeans to stop succling on lady liberties tits we expect them to put on their big boy pants and FUCKING TAKE CARE OF THE FRONT LINES IN EUROPE. That’s what we expect.
September 23, 2014 at 1:32 AM
We do not have front lines in Europe the USA/nato have them, we do not see Putin as the big bad wolf !
It is power play between the big bad boys, and we in Europe have to pay the price, if you wanna battle Russia , please be so kind to do it on your own soil.
And how do you dare to talk about the free world as an USA citizen !
was you awake the last 15 years or so ?
September 23, 2014 at 1:37 AM
You guys fucked up that beautiful experiment called the USA big time !
John Locke turns over in his grave !
September 23, 2014 at 1:47 AM
About sucking tits, jees you guys just living on borrowed money backed by gold from other nations !
But there comes a time that the machine says, your credit card is good no more !
And that time will come sooner and sooner if we lose more and more trust in the USA !
You can not survive your useful end date , in the end you guys are nothing more than an bunch of wild looters in a colony of Europe, and we let you dig your own grave .
Playing time is over step up on the plate and show some intelligence, balls enough , now the rest !
As i said we play this game for a long time, and we still exist !
Strange , not ?
September 23, 2014 at 1:37 AM
Joop, I’ll try to make this simple and easy for you.
The US put in less money to fund NATO and the Europeans put in more money to fund NATO.
September 23, 2014 at 1:43 AM
Joop, perhapes this will help you comprehend.
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2013/10/will-us-rebalance-its-contribution-nato/72281/
September 23, 2014 at 1:51 AM
Just beautiful, it declines the influence of the USA, exactly what the black hand wants !
You can not be that stupid to bring this up as an argument after what i have said !
Just blind childish patriotism !
September 23, 2014 at 1:56 AM
Ahhh, the ugly elitists shows his true colours!
And that time will come sooner and sooner if we lose more and more trust in the USA !
You can not survive your useful end date , in the end you guys are nothing more than an bunch of wild looters in a colony of Europe, and we let you dig your own grave .
September 23, 2014 at 2:20 AM
That is what you call geo politics, and that is a part of existence what the USA not mastered YET !
It was not necessarily, but you know , before you are start playing learn first the game instead to be the big bad brawling schoolyard punk !.
In the end you will learn the lessons, as we did , trough pain and a lot of blood !
So be nice and resist on your own soil, by the way resistance is futile, it is just a matter of numbers ad time .
September 23, 2014 at 2:29 AM
did,nt learn anything from arming the Taliban with stingers against Russia,and doing it over and over again !
Who is the stupid fuck at the world stage ?
About having trust in wild geo politic children just arrived at the geo politic world stage !
It breaks my hart to see this beautiful flower in here growing stage going down as so many has gone before.
September 22, 2014 at 10:52 PM
How much stronger is the US military compared with the next strongest power?
‘The U.S. spends close to what the entire rest of the world spends in defense’
Please see here as well…
http://www.military1.com/army/article/402211-how-much-stronger-is-the-us-military-compared-with-the-next-strongest-power
September 23, 2014 at 12:25 AM
Yes and ?
September 23, 2014 at 5:56 AM
hey Joop, is this you. http://blog.samueljing.com/tag/joop-homme
🙈
September 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM
Your comment shows your mental level, childish as i stated before.
September 23, 2014 at 12:13 PM
Your president !
September 23, 2014 at 12:23 PM
What is Obama’s real end game?
Now, for the first time, noted political strategist Dick Morris reveals Obama’s secret strategy in his powerful new book “Power Grab: Obama’s Dangerous Plan for a One-Party Nation.”
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Morris writes that almost all of Obama’s key initiatives and agenda items have one common theme: They seek to turn America into a banana republic ruled by one party, by putting the Republican Party out of business — effectively ending America’s long bipartisan system of government.
That’s the dire warning from best-selling author and political insider Dick Morris and his co-author, Eileen McGann, in their compelling new book that is gaining national attention.
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Implementing the biggest power grab of all, ObamaCare — one that creates a new, permanent dependency class
Pushing for “immigration reform” that will quickly tip the delicate balance of power in favor of Democrats, giving them a permanent lock on the White House
Pushing “red” states aside by gaining federal control over state-run education systems using the Common Core curriculum
Asserting more control over private business by granting the EPA global governance in the name of climate change, affecting every aspect of our lives
Blocking energy independence, thereby slowing economic growth and breeding more dependency
Gutting welfare reform and keeping millions on the dole
Turning over regulation of the Internet to the United Nations
The authors write: “Obama is a left-wing president who is desperately determined to impose his radical agenda to transform our democratic government and free market economy into his socialist-style ideal before leaving office in 2016. He’s a president who is obsessively fixated on keeping the left in permanent power by turning our two-party system into a one-party monopoly.”
He is close to achieving his goal, Morris and McGann warn. Only you can stop him.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-dick-morris-eileen-gann-power/2014/09/22/id/596244/
September 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM
Come on Joop, Morris is a baffoon. 🐵 Is that the best you got.🚀
Good morning by the way. ☕️
September 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM
A good morning to, you are right he is a buffoon but this time he is right, ore are you blind from adoration for you rule with a pen and telephone president.
September 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM
Hey Joop what do you think the big blow hard Putin will do now that President Obama is bombing the snot out of Syria? I’ll tell you what he’ll do, a big fat nothing.
September 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM
I really do not know it, what i know that bombing alone will not work, you can not bomb people to the stone age if they already living in the stone age !
You can bomb the export figure of Toyota pickups sky high !
The smart thing to do was , stopping to encircling Russia and make a deal with them, better for the whole world.
September 23, 2014 at 2:41 PM
“The alliance is best viewed as a glass half full. The reason it’s not all the way full is the allies don’t do anything close to their fair share.” 👀
In March, Obama said he was concerned that not all NATO members were “chipping in” toward the cost of a collective defense against Russia. In 2011, then Defense Secretary Robert Gates made a stinging rebuke of NATO allies, saying in Berlin that the United States is tired of engaging in combat with and taking risks for countries that “don’t want to share the risks and the costs.”💣💶
The US tax payers and citizens are tired of footing the bill and sending their young into harms way while many Europeans shirk their responsibilities to the alliance!”
Shame on you and yours Joop.🍼
September 23, 2014 at 2:48 PM
Are you blind ??
IF the USA want to fight Russia do it on your own soil and at your own cost, we see Russia not as enemy, we are not stupid enough to let us used by the blackhand to get is empire !
September 23, 2014 at 2:53 PM
Give it up Joop, you’re getting your head handed to you.👹
September 23, 2014 at 3:25 PM
We will see , and time will tell us !
September 23, 2014 at 4:13 AM
Joop I’m pretty sure this is not over you head. Pretty sure…. 👻
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/04/the-u-s-has-long-chided-nato-allies-for-scrimping-on-defense-spending-why-it-pays-the-most-by-far/
September 22, 2014 at 12:40 PM
The EU is destroying Europe by flooding it with Muslims (Eurabia).
Who can blame Putin if he doesn’t want the same thing to happen to Russia, or to fellow Slavic states, or to former fellow Soviet buffer states? And who would wish an EU style government on Russia? Besides Putin’s Russia of today is more like the Tsarist Russia of old, not the murderous Communist monster of 1917.
Putin has some legitimate security concerns in naval access to the Black Sea (Crimea). Maybe the EU and NATO should recognize that, live and let live, and don’t push Putin until there’s a nasty backlash.
Perhaps the EU might be partly at fault. There might really be expansionist forces at work in the EU that intend to chop Russia up into little pieces so they can steal it’s natural resources. Since the fall of Communism, Russia doesn’t look like it intends to conquer the world, just maybe secure it’s own existence and maybe ensure access to the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf.
Not that Putin’s Russia is pure as the driven snow, it’s more like a big Mafia organized crime family, but the EU is part of the “one world government” program and the EU idea should be junked so the nation states of Europe can go back to being the national ethno-states they used to be, dedicated to the best interests of their own citizens, being free and independent, but just without the aggressive attitudes that led to two world wars.
The people of the world might be better off if they could demand that the power mad “one world government” forces agree to a truce for a while instead of the little Napoleans of the EU trying become a super power by conquering Russia or the little Tsar of Russian trying to conquer parts of Europe.