Off Topic: Islamist group slaughters 43 children in Nigerian boarding school
Islamist group slaughters 43 children in Nigerian boarding school | Mail Online.
( Another contribution from “the religion of peace”… – JW )
- Suspected militants from Al-Quaeda affiliated group burned children alive
- Teacher says they set locked hostel on fire then shot and slit the throats of children who tried to escape through the windows
- Other reports suggest attackers threw explosives, sprayed rooms with gunfire and used machetes to hack pupils to death
- Attack brings toll from Boko Haram attacks to more than 300 this month
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Suspected Islamic militants killed 43 students in a pre-dawn attack Tuesday on a northeast Nigerian college, survivors said.
The terrorists, thought to be from Boko Haram, set a locked hostel on fire, before shooting and slitting the throats of those who tried to climb out the windows. Some were burned alive.
Adamu Garba said he and other teachers who ran away through the bush estimate 40 students died in the assault that began around 2 a.m. Tuesday at the Federal Government College at Buni Yadi.
Boko Haram have been responsible for a number of terrorist attacks in the north of Nigera as they increasingly target civilians (file picture)
It is a co-ed school about 45 miles south of Damaturu, the capital of Yobe state, and difficult to communicate with because extremists last year destroyed the cell phone tower there.
Garba, who teaches at a secondary school attached to the college, said the attackers first set ablaze the college administrative block, then moved to the hostels, where they locked students in and started firebombing the buildings.
At one hostel, he said: ‘Students were trying to climb out of the windows and they were slaughtered like sheep by the terrorists who slit their throats. Others who ran were gunned down.’
He said students who could not escape were burned alive
The attackers also reportedly hurled explosives into student residential buildings, sprayed gunfire into rooms and hacked a number students to death.
A senior medical source at the Sani Abacha Specialist Hospital in Yobe’s capital Damaturu said the gunmen only targeted male students and that female students were ‘spared’.
‘So far, 43 bodies have been brought (from the college) and are lying at the morgue,’ said the source, who requested anonymity as he was not authorised to discuss death tolls.
Damaturu resident Babagoni Musa told AFP that four ambulances carrying dead bodies drove past his shop, which falls on the road from Buni Yadi.
‘They had tree branches on them which is a sign used here to signify a corpse is in a vehicle,’ he said.
People whose relatives were studying at the college had surrounded the morgue and were desperately seeking information about those killed, forcing the military to take control of the building to restore calm, the hospital source said.
Yobe is one of three northeastern states which was placed under emergency rule in May last year when the military launched a massive operation to crush the Boko Haram uprising.
At least 40 students were killed in September at an agriculture training college in Yobe after Boko Haram gunmen stormed a series of dorms in the middle of the night and sprayed gunfire on sleeping students.
Boko Haram are just one of several Islamist groups in Africa which are trying to seize power, including Somalia’s al Shabaab (pictured)
Tuesday’s attack brings the toll from killings blamed on Boko Haram to more than 300 this month alone.
It is the first reported in Yobe state and the first school attack reported this year by suspected fighters of the terrorist network of Boko Haram – the nickname that means Western education is forbidden.
President Goodluck Jonathan told a news conference Monday night that the Boko Haram attacks were ‘quite worrisome’ but that he was sure ‘we will get over it.’
Thousands of Nigerians have lost family members, houses, businesses, their belongings and livelihoods in the 4-year-old rebellion.
And it likely will anger regional officials who charge the military is losing its war to halt the Islamic uprising in the northeast of Africa’s biggest oil producer.
The military has said recent attacks are being perpetrated by militants who have escaped a sustained aerial bombardment and ground assaults on forest hideouts along the border with Cameroon.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Monday condemned the ‘unspeakable violence and acts of terror’ and said the United States is helping Nigerian authorities to develop a comprehensive approach ‘to combat the threat posed by Boko Haram while protecting civilians and ensuring respect for human rights.’
But survivors and local officials charge they get no protection. And refugees who have fled to neighboring states have said that they are fleeing the extremists as much as the fallout from a military campaign in which soldiers are accused of gross human rights abuses including executions of people suspected of helping Boko Haram.
‘Everybody is living in fear,’ local government chairman Maina Ularamu told AP after Izghe village was attacked twice in a week this month – with militants first killing 106 and burning hundreds of thatched huts, then returning to kill another three people and setting ablaze what little remained of the settlement in neighboring Adamawa state.
‘There is no protection. We cannot predict where and when they are going to attack. People can’t sleep with their eyes closed,’ Ularamu said.
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WarSclerotic 
February 25, 2014 at 11:23 PM
Cant read this its too distressing
February 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM
Muhammed’s first impression was the right one.
When he met the supposed angel ‘Gabriel’ who strangled or choked him he thought he was demon possessed and he even wanted to commit suicide. Too bad he didn’t.
Later, he claimed that satan tricked him and that he made him believe that the ‘satanic verses’ were a revelation of his god.
What more do you need to know about this religion and what else can you expect from it.
This religion is satan’s master piece: The enslavement of more than a billion people and the destruction of countless others.
February 26, 2014 at 12:56 AM
Sounds more like it if you believe in that mumbo jumbo!
February 26, 2014 at 1:41 AM
Spare me your bullshit.
Which mumbo jumbo?
February 26, 2014 at 2:02 AM
Many religions many beliefs, since they can’t all be right probably none of them are right. In my opinion anyone who claims to know the mind of god, or claims to speak for god is full of mumbo jumbo. We are but fish in a fishbowl with finite ability try to grasp the infinite.
February 26, 2014 at 2:14 AM
Religion is just another form of power, the few trying to tell the many how to believe.
February 26, 2014 at 2:15 AM
It’s all mumbo jumbo!
February 26, 2014 at 2:56 AM
Again you failed miserably.
Your gibberish is totally worthless and unrelated to the topic.
Besides are your statements only true for you or are they also true for me?
If you insist that they are also true for me then you invalidate your thesis that there is “My truth” and “Your truth”.
If you insist that it’s all mambo jumbo than you are admitting that your thesis is wrong.
Pathetic.
February 26, 2014 at 3:04 AM
Artaxes hold firm the your pathetic beliefs it’s obviously all you have, along with a small intellect I might add. ;0)
February 26, 2014 at 3:16 AM
Again, you prove my point.
So you lied then when you said that you have your truth and I mine.
Because, if you would believe your own words, you would aknowledge that all that you say is merely your belief and your opinion which would make it impossible to talk about pathetic beliefs.
Unless of course, you are lying.
February 26, 2014 at 3:21 AM
I bet you believe in the boggieman….
February 26, 2014 at 3:29 AM
If you tell me what the boggyman is, I can answer you that.
February 26, 2014 at 3:32 AM
No point, your free to move on the bigger matters.
February 26, 2014 at 3:39 AM
Talking to people who are clueless makes one tired.
Thank you very much. I appreciate your kindness.
February 26, 2014 at 4:04 AM
Yes you’re correct, I’m very tired. Goodnight!
February 26, 2014 at 4:10 AM
Yes, the clueless are getting tired as well at some point.
Good night.
February 26, 2014 at 4:39 AM
Once again you’re correct. Sweet dreams.
February 26, 2014 at 2:00 AM
Tabari VI:70 “He went to Khadija and said, ‘I think that I have gone mad.'”
February 26, 2014 at 2:14 AM
Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”
February 26, 2014 at 2:16 AM
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe him, strive hard and fight jihad with their wealth and lives
February 26, 2014 at 2:17 AM
Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
February 26, 2014 at 2:18 AM
Qur’an:33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.
February 26, 2014 at 2:21 AM
Bukhari:V4B51N73 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shade of swords.'”
February 26, 2014 at 2:24 AM
Qur’an 12:1 “These are verses of the immaculate Book, a clear discourse.”
Qur’an 12:3 “Through the Qur’an We narrate the best of histories.”
Qur’an 2:1 “This is a book free of doubt.”
Qur’an 10:37 “This Qur’an is such a writing that none but Allah could have composed it. It confirms what has been revealed before.”
February 26, 2014 at 2:28 AM
Ishaq:254
Qur’an 2:96 “We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. They know the shameful thing that awaits them.”
Peace or piss ?
You see the impossibility, just peace by strength the only way for a long time to come.
February 26, 2014 at 2:53 AM
Joop all that you’ve shown represents the power of evil mumbo jumbo over the minds of men.
February 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM
There is no power that comes close to the power of stupid.
Time and again you give us prove of it.
February 26, 2014 at 3:02 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, you seem a bit tense.. Casting insults is always a sign of a small intellect.
February 26, 2014 at 3:12 AM
If the truth is an insult to you …
You talking about intellect is like the Pope talking about the best positions in sex.
February 26, 2014 at 3:57 AM
Yep,and we have to show this to the world,
Ich habe es nicht gewusst
Do no go anymore !
I hold everybody accountable for what it is worth
February 26, 2014 at 4:06 AM
Works for me Joop! ;0) goodnight!
February 26, 2014 at 2:20 PM
Islam, believe as we do or we’ll cut off your head.
Christendom, believe as we do or you’re doomed to hell for eternity!
See much difference? It’s all Mumbo jumbo concocted by men who lived in mud huts, looking to power and control. Keep the sheeple in line with horrific threats.
February 26, 2014 at 4:06 AM
“Behold, I teach you the overman! The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth! I beseech you, my brothers, remain faithful to the earth, and do not believe those who speak to you of otherworldly hopes! Poison-mixers are they, whether they know it or not. Despisers of life are they, decaying and poisoned themselves, of whom the earth is weary: so let them go!”
February 26, 2014 at 4:15 AM
Nietzsche�s idea of an overman and life from his point of view
Nietzsche’s idea of “the overman” (Ubermensch) is one of the most significant concept in his thinking. Even though it is mentioned very briefly only in the prologue of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, it might be sensible to conceive that Nietzsche had something in his mind about how a man should be more than just human-all-too-human, regardless if he was one or not. All these ideas had been pondered on and developed though all his works. The concept then seems to reveal much about the way Nietzsche saw life. This essay will attempt on seeing through, as much as possible, the idea of overman by Nietzsche and life from the point of view of an overman.
An overman as described by Zarathustra, the main character in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, is the one who is willing to risk all for the sake of enhancement of humanity. In contrary to the �last man� whose sole desire is his own comfort and is incapable of creating anything beyond oneself in any form. This should suggest that an overman is someone who can establish his own values as the world in which others live their lives, often unaware that they are not pregiven. This means an overman can affect and influence the lives of others. In other words, an overman has his own values, independent of others, which affects and dominates others� lives that may not have predetermined values but only herd instinct. An overman is then someone who has a life which is not merely to live each day with no meanings when nothing in the past and future is more important than the present, or more precisely, the pleasure and happiness in the present, but with the purpose for humanity.
In Nietzsche�s view, an overman should be able to affect history indefinitely. He will keep reentering the world through other people�s minds and affect their thoughts and values. Napolean who is highly admired by Nietzsche may be seen as an example here since he changed and created orders in Europe. What he did effects greatly in how Europe is today. This idea agrees with another of his most significant idea, the idea of the will-to-power. He asserts that life is the will-to-power. Although it is hard to say exactly what he meant by that term, it can be described as something, which underlies how human thinks, behaves and acts in all circumstances. He views that a human being is always in a constant struggle to quench his own desire. This is shown in the context of power used to exclude desires of others that is in conflict to his, power that is used to achieve what they desire. A living thing always seeks to discharge its strength, not only to survive but to power and this sometimes results in violent behaviour which is, allegedly by Nietzshce, intrinsic to the nature of men. However, the way to will can be different, constructive or destructive. My interpretation would then be that an overman uses the will-to-power to influence and dominate the thoughts of others creatively from generation to generation. In this way, his existence and power live on even after he dies.�
Nietzsche also has the answer to life that seems suffering. His answer, which is expressed in the same book of Zarathustra, is an attitude towards life that helps one overcome the feeling of its meaninglessness. It starts with the idea that life is an eternal recurrence with no beginning and no end but a repetition of the very same life over and over again. With all sufferings, unhappiness and misdeeds in life, one may feel cursed and despaired if he inevitably were to repeat the same life with the same pain and joy. However, the most important point may not be whether life is really an eternal recurrence. Rather, although not explicitly stated, the important point is that an overman should view it differently such that in the very same life, there has been a moment that it redeems everything else. It then makes him content with and happy to repeat that very same life again and again. He has got the feeling of unity of creation and destruction, good and bad taste of life and is able to say that life is good even it may seem terrible and questionable. He views all the past actions, silly or wise, accidental or achieving, as necessity of becoming himself. Therefore he can redeem himself and thus be willing to repeat the same life again. Some may even say that �it was� and �thus I willed it� even though he knows well that one cannot will backward and there are many other limitations in life. It implies that living a life of an overman is to live with the knowledge of what has already happened and constant reinterpretation according to it.� Clearly, an overman is then someone who can, with appreciation, face life that may seem so suffering and absurd, knowing that the basic conditions of life will not change even when he is in the ideal state of an overman.
In a sense, overman is about self-overcoming. It involves an attitude towards life when one may feel despaired and feel life is meaningless. It is about the way to deal with �truth� not in direct manner with straightforward rules as in rationalism, but more like a sensitive mix of trickier indirect approaches. As he compared this with winning a woman�s heart, those who approach clumsily and directly will bound to failure and hence left dispirited. When compared to Kantian view of truth, it can be seen that going straight into finding an absolute naked truth may leave one unsastisfied with questions that remain unanswered. Instead, Nietzsche suggested the way to tackle this by going along with it and take it as it is. One will then feel content and happy with the life that may be so questionable.
Another characteristic used to describe an overman originated in his earlier work, The Birth of Tragedy. In this book, the notion of Apollonion and Dionysian principles is used with respect to his analysis of the Greek tragedy. They are used to describe two principles men use in thinking which consequently determine actions. Apollonion principle is the principle of light, rationality, order and clear boundaries whereas Dionysian is the principle of the dark, irratioanality, the collapse of order and boundaries. The Apollonion views an individual as separate from other reality and hence can be viewed dispassionately with rationality. On the other hand, the Dionysian views things as a living whole where one is a part of a larger reality. The Apollonion therefore involves no passion or emotion but pure reasons with order whereas the Dionysian is passionate, dynamic and unpredictable. Nietzsche believes that a balance of the two principles is essential in order to have some meanings in life. He seems to be very fond of art and viewed that artistic works, paintings, plays, literature or music exhibit a great deal of Dionysian principle in the form of creativity. In his later work, the importance of the Dionysian principle in living a life with values and meanings is expressed clearly. He views that the highest state attainable by a man can be achieved when life is conceived in terms of the realisation of the Dionysian ideal of the overman. That means one must realise and accept his own Dionysian nature and use it appropriately.
From my point of view, Nietzsche must have treated art as something higher than ordinary, mass-conventional logic and rationality such as that in science for he admired creativity and beauty in art above all things. A person who will be viewed by Nietzsche as an overman is then more likely to be an artist who uses his Dionysian principle and way of thinking and feeling to create works that carry particular individual�s picture or interpretation of the world. His values may or may not be the same as any other but a good artist should be able to combine creativity with his perception of the world and life and express it well in his work. On comparison to Aristotle who views that the most desirable state of a person is a philosopher who contemplates, Nietzsche viewed traditional philosophers during his time as people who did not really affect the real world outside and usually their traditional philosophical works were merely self confession. It can then be seen that his value is highly placed upon the concept of Dionysus and therefore he praised the Greek civilisation where a lot of creativity took place even more than in present society. Nietzsche accepted that Socrates did affect the history greatly, which is the characteristic that Nietzsche valued. However, he blamed Socrates for the western society and culture that emphasised the Apollonion principle too much. Socrates was thought to have gone too far in defending rationality. He even viewed that we could use reasoning in everything so that the nature�s flaws can be corrected. It is then what the western dreams of and pursues up until now through science and technology. This is the view that does not accept human limitation, that men are powerless and have no control but always places men on the top of everything. In contrast, Nietzsche views that an overman must be able to accept these limitations and can face it in the eternal recurrence. Nietzsche must have felt that the western culture had put less and less significance on artistic creativity and passion that mental and spiritual power which create beauty in life have fewer and fewer places in the modern society.
Emotion is one of the attributes of Dionysus and is also one of the entities which Nietzsche defended. He views that emotion is natural. Its repression or suppression is psychologically disastrous. This also includes sexuality. He attacked Christianity for its traditional value that places bars on emotion and impulse and this is viewed by Nietzsche as self-denying. He disagrees on inhibiting and thwarting human own nature. Rather, an overman must accept his own nature and divert the energy of primitive impulses into a culturally, higher or socially more acceptable, activity. This is exactly what should happen to a good artist on creating his work of art. To him, the Dionysian is not completely dark and evil as opposite to the Apollonion which is associated with light and reason. The Dionysian is rather viewed as natural, both good and bad just like any ordinary human being. It is in every human nature. With a right balance with the Apollonion and with the right use, a burst of creativity is the result. However, it is usually the case that when the Apollonion principle mixes the Dionysian, it tends to suppress the Dionysian. As a result, the Dionysian principle is expressed in a destructive way. Basically, an overman must be able to control this and divert the Dionysian power into something creative. To Nietzsche, Dionysian is profoundly irrational rather than negatively or stubbornly irrational.
�In the present age where science and rationality are highly valued, I realise that it is hard to accept the negative side of being rational since it seems to be the most reliable tool in treating others, living together and judging. Without it, society can be chaotic and too much disordered for no control is imposed on the irrational ones who do not use the Dionysian principle in a productive way. However, I agree with Nietzsche in the beauty of the product created out of Dionysian principle and feel that the right mix of Apollonion and Dionysian will make the world much nobler, not in the luxurious sense but aesthetic one. The world with no passion and emotion will be an unnatural one and this special property, among others, of human that differs from other animals will be lost.������
Nietzsche might or might not consider himself an overman but he surely determined to be a means or bridge who brings closer to reality an emergence of an overman. In his view, men are not born equal. He always stresses on the difference of men and hence in contrast to Marx who includes everyone into his ideal society. For Nietzsche, there are only some capable and talented who qualifies to be an overman from his point of view. Therefore, he is usually perceived superficially as an elitist which might have brought down the value of his thinking. To me, it is a fact that is hard to swallow for all of us and quite sceptical on the ability of men. However, it is the case, at least throughout the history of mankind up to the present, for men are educated differently and experience different things. Nevertheless, Nietzsche�s thinking provides some space for this. He says that his ideal is not necessarily everyone�s universal ideal. Each of us values things differently and therefore his overman may not be the same as others� overman. He consequently urges for revaluation of traditional values such as, the supression of emotion, the wholeheartedly devoted rationalism. An overman, in his view, should not be restricted by tradition nor bounded by convention but has independent values of his own.�������
From all that is shown above, we may say that Nietzsche�s overman must be able to affect history indefinitely, conceives life in terms of Dionysian realisation and is able to divert Dionysian principle into something creative. With this kind of attitude and the realisation of his own limitation in life, he would then be able to face life, look back with satisfaction, realising that all pasts make him what he is today, and hence feel happy if he were to repeat that very same life eternally. An overman should then be content with his own life and appreciate every bit of it even though some of them are painful and suffering. He spends each day of his life creating beauty, which affects the minds of others through out the time, knowing that his life has values and meanings since his existence of will-to-power will live on indefinitely.�
February 26, 2014 at 3:32 PM
@ JP
I,am smiling now, from pleasure.
But if i may bring up a thing to consider what was impossible for Nietzsche.
The boundary of being is our DNA, so we( human kind )will be ¨¨always¨¨ floating between the little being and the big being
How can we free ourself from the DNA jail ?
If man understand that we are a part of everything and everything is a part of us fear will fall away and the compensation whit religion is not longer required to walk the pad of live to the big being (or bigger being )
But all what is done in the little being will resonate in the big being.
Are we creating continuously our temporal big being ?
We could be what we call god if we could remember the truth.
The truth that after the little being stops function the actions due time of existence will keep resonating in the big being and the parts of the little being will be transformed in a new little being without remembering of the old little being and his actions
Is there a reality shift between the little being and the big being so we can not remember the truth ?
Is understanding this the bridge to become really a part of everything without our DNA boundary
Remembering is the key to be able to change even the reality temporal or not.
Now the big question, what is holding us back from remembering ?
sorry i had the feeling to write this down
Dew drops are able to moisture a seed planted in fertile soil.
February 26, 2014 at 3:42 PM
Joop, I like this! Don’t get me wronge I believe in the big being, pray every night. My critique is on how humanity thru religions claim to know the mind of the big being, and use that claim to control.
February 26, 2014 at 5:41 PM
My expression of the big being is not religious but just a short for the interaction between the universal forces in the universe.
But i respect your critique deeply, because it is also my critique, however from an other view point,you may call it an atheistic view point.
If there is a controlling being in the big being it will be no god to me but just a little being who found the way to the big being free from something like DNA, it would be just one of the controllers of the realty , if you want the masters of the matrix.
I have to keep that open , because i do not know why we can not remember the truth.
we have a kind of Volatile memory in the universal machine, why????
On purpose design t by the masters of the matrix or just an evolutionary thing in the journey from the little being to the big being.?
I,am longing for a conclusive answer , i,am thinking about this but my brain is not big enough to comprehend all the implications in both situations
There are new discovery,s about the the things we talk about, very interesting but if we look at something as observer from out the little being will we see the truth or just a translation of the truth.?
Will we ever roam free trough he universe of all , is that our destination ?
But from out my little being i advocate that we must give ourself ( humankind ) the time to find answers on my questions with out killing freedom of thinking and expression.
If i wrote this on a saudi/ iran blog i was in jail and they would hang me
, and that make me sad and sometime nihilistic about the future of mankind
Why are we promoting cq supporting the islam so much are we not allowed to learn how to remember the truth ?
If we learn this , the ways to control us are gone , only in the little being is there control and power over humankind.
Let us walk trough different ways to the big being shoulder to shoulder as friends and beings in the universe of all
February 26, 2014 at 5:52 PM
“Would you like to save the world from the degradation and destruction it seems destined for? Then step away from shallow mass movements and quietly go to work on your own self-awareness. If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself. If you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation.”
Lao Tzu
February 26, 2014 at 6:22 PM
February 26, 2014 at 6:04 PM
Beautifull Jhon but.
Dew drops are able to moisture a seed planted in fertile soil.
February 26, 2014 at 6:12 PM
There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.
Buddha
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
Buddha
February 26, 2014 at 6:13 PM
Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared.
Buddha
February 26, 2014 at 6:53 PM
I,am happy whit your comments, but i was hesitating to express myself about these kind of matters as i experienced a lot of repulsion in the past ventilating my kind of thinking .( not unique )
But can you give me more input/ critic to develop my thinking a step further.
For me it is here a blog heaven, there a good working brains here
I mis Luis !
I wish him all the best
February 26, 2014 at 7:46 PM
Ponder away Joop, since we don’t what’s possible anything is possible thus open for discovery.
February 26, 2014 at 6:38 PM
“The unexamined martini is not worth drinking”
Mad Men.
February 26, 2014 at 6:56 PM
I do not get this John
February 26, 2014 at 7:28 PM
The unexamined life is not worth living.
– Socrates
The unexamined weed is not worth smoking.
– Colorado resident
February 26, 2014 at 7:33 PM
Bing go now you’ve got. Zoop, just meant to be a bit of whimsy.
February 26, 2014 at 8:49 PM
The unexamined bill is not worth reading.
-Nancy Pelosi
February 27, 2014 at 1:11 AM
I think i got it now.
February 26, 2014 at 5:28 AM
Fascinating discourse, I wanted to ask what can be done about these atrocities, more than John do-nothing Kerry telling the world its bad? Lets put a fund together and hire Executive Outcomes or the like to take care of the problem.
February 26, 2014 at 6:02 AM
I think Executive Outcomes dissolved in 1998.
February 26, 2014 at 3:42 PM
dissolved is not correct better is transformed .
February 26, 2014 at 3:39 PM
Already done and in place and working fine, perhaps not in the way i liked it or you like it, but working very effective.
For me is this just a step on the pad to the bigger being , good or bad is just a observation from out the little being by one observer , but it matters dearly.
( observing from out the big being as being an observer is for me impossible )
February 26, 2014 at 6:14 PM
So….how does this relate to the Iranian threat to Israel’s existence? ….in 25 words or less of course. 😉
February 26, 2014 at 6:23 PM
mm, what happens in the Ukraine is an example and my answer is in other topics as you know very well.
dig into the spiritual UN,and so on.
one new world for human kind, if you belief it
February 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM
I count 39 words. 🙂
February 26, 2014 at 11:45 PM
Pff , i,am happy was a bit worry you could not count right,you have won gold
February 27, 2014 at 3:31 AM
I like to keep it simple. I’m getting up in years you know. 😉
February 27, 2014 at 8:17 PM
Interesting.
Because one psychopath was more concerned with my choice of words than the slaughter of 43 children this discussion took a strange turn.
I’m sure that there were similar discussions in the polite salons of Europe while 6 million Jews were murdered or while more than a million Armenians were butchered or starved to death.
While I disagree with Joop on many things I agree with him that we all should be free to search for the truth.
I despise fanatic, intolerant religious people as much as I despise atheistic or areligious fanatics.
There is this stupid idea that all religions are equally bad and the world would be just fine without them.
When have you last heared of an Amish hijacking airplanes, an orthodox Jew blowing up buildings, a Buddhist killing infidels, a Hindu calling for Jihad or a biblethumbing evangelical Christian hanging gays on cranes?
As for the Idea that the world would be better off without these evil, evil religions, all you have to do is to look back at ten thousands of years of human history. All you have to do is look around you.
Trust me, man is perfectly capable of doing evil things without religions.
Julius Cesar wasn’t motivated by religions when he let his troops butcher thausands of people in Gaulle.
Neither was Jospeh Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao Tsetung who have murdered more people than all religious wars combined (excluding Islam).
While I don’t suggest that we go back to medieval times we have to recognise that modernity has also it’s dark sides.
From Darwin to Marx to Hitler and his social darwinism this lead to some of the most monstrous crimes in human history.
As evil as Muhammed was, at least he left the Jews, Cristians and pagans with a choice. He did not kill them if they converted to islam.
This is something Hitler did not grant to the Jews. Being a Jew was enough to be your death sentence and you could do nothing about it.
Racism is a relatively new phenomenon and Darwins theory of evolution and his idea of favoured species was used as its scientific basis.
You can read more about the history of racism and how it differs from the old phenomena of ethnocentrism and antijudaism in “Rassismus. Über Fremdenfeindlichkeit und Rassenwahn”.
One of the authors is Léon Poliakov, an expert on racism and the holocaust.
In this book you can also read the interesting detail that the conquerors of the new world wanted to declare the natives as animals instead of humans in order to justify their total exploitation, enslavement and killing.
The Christian missionaries rejected this and viewed them rather as humans that could be converted to Christianity.
As with anything religion as a general concept can be used for good (like helping us against our worst impulses) or for evil (like enslavement and killing).
It is utterly stupid to believe that the abolishment of religion would make anything better.
It’s the same stupidity that lies behind the calls for the banning of guns.
A gun can be used for good (like defending your family) or for bad (like murders).
Using the same logic why stop with guns?
Should we then not ban knives because they can be used for killing?
And while we are at it, should we not ban forks as well because you can injure and even kill someone with a fork?
Should we then not ban cars because people die every year in the streets?
But maybe we should cut the penis off from every male because there are so many rapes every year.
Simple solution, problem solved. No more evil could be done by any human, if there are no humans.
I think, it should be obvious by now how utterly stupid the idea is that abolishing all religion would change anything for the better.
While many things have changed for the better over the millenia one thing has not changed: human nature.
If you don’t believe me, just read Homer’s Illiad and you’ll see that the people had then basically the same problems, fears, desires and passions as the people have now.
All that has changed is, that the people then killed each other with bronce swords while today they are killing each others with laser guided bombs.
Of course, man has also a capacity for love and compassion which also has not changed.
Human nature has not changed and it won’t change if the theory of evolution is true because the only selection criterium is survival.
Jack London, described the full and totally consistent conclusion of the materialistic, darwinian world view in his novel ‘The Sea Wolf’ when his protagonist tells us that there is no such thing us morality because there is no such thing as good and evil. It’s just one amoeba eating the other.
The supreme irony is that people who are holding such a world view are telling us how bad religion is.
Why?
Because they are utterly inconsistent with their own world view that there is no such thing as good and bad or good and evil.
The problem is neither religion in general, nor the gun, the knive, the fork, the car and the penis but the evil in the human heart.
Your heart and mine.
February 27, 2014 at 10:42 PM
Tell me where you disagree .
February 27, 2014 at 10:51 PM
Sorry Joop, that I cannot answer you at the moment.
Was just on my way out. I was (am) very busy this week and had hardly time to post anything. Maybe we can continue this discussion another time.
Good evening to you and to everybody else.
February 28, 2014 at 3:24 AM
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