Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman said Sunday he would not agree to any peace agreement with the Palestinians without the exchange of the “triangle” area southeast of Haifa, which is heavily populated by Israeli Arabs, for West Bank areas populated primarily by Jews, commonly known as “settlement blocs.”
Liberman emphasized that he supports the creation of a Palestinian state and appreciates the current efforts of US Secretary of State John Kerry to reach a final status deal, but added that he would not agree to an agreement that would allow “even one” Palestinian refugee to return to Israel.
He also suggested that Kerry’s positions on the peace process, including his understanding of Israel’s security needs and its demand to be recognized as a Jewish state, were the best offer Israel could expect from the international community. “Any alternative proposals brought forward by the international community will suit us much less,” he said.
Liberman spoke at the opening of the Foreign Ministry’s Ambassadors Conference for heads of Israeli missions across the world. At the conference, which took place at the Foreign Ministry headquarters building in Jerusalem, Liberman sounded decidedly less hawkish than in recent years. The foreign minister who has insisted in the past that a peace agreement with the Palestinian Authority was unattainable and accused PA President Mahmoud Abbas of “political terrorism,” on Sunday sounded as if he accepted the idea that a Palestinian state will be created in the near future.
“It’s appropriate to talk about an issue that is not exactly politically correct,” Liberman said, in the middle of a lengthy foreign policy address. “I’m talking of course of the exchange of territory and populations. And if someone thinks that I’m talking about an exchange of territory and ‘the triangle’ and Wadi Ara [both areas mostly populated by Israeli Arabs] – indeed, that’s what I am referring to.”
His party, Yisrael Beytenu, will not agree to a peace agreement that does not include such a territorial exchange, which would place a large portion of Israel’s Arab population centers within the future Palestinian state, and most of the West Bank’s Jews within the Jewish state. Liberman emphasized that he was not talking about a population transfer. “Everyone will stay in their own houses, in the same places. Just the borders will move toward what is today [the highway along Israel’s eastern spine] Route 6, more or less.”
The redrawing of Israel’s borders to exclude major Arab population centers that lie on the Israeli side of the Green Line, and which are populated by longtime Israeli citizens, has long been Liberman’s policy. In the past, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected this approach.
The area known as “the triangle,” located in the Sharon plain, contains mostly Arab-populated towns and cities such as Kafr Qara, Umm al-Fahm, Tayibe and Qalansawe. It was to have come under Jordanian rule in the arrangements that saw the establishment of the State of Israel but was ultimately included in Israeli sovereign territory under the 1949 armistice agreements because of Israeli security demands. Israel instead ceded territory that had been earmarked for Israeli sovereignty in the area of the southern Hebron hills.
Last week, unnamed sources told Maariv that the “triangle” plan, involving some 300,000 Israeli Arabs living on land that would become part of a new Palestine, had come up during talks between Israel and US officials at various levels, including at least one occasion when very senior officials, Kerry among them, were in attendance. Israeli legal officials have begun investigating legal aspects of such an arrangement, the newspaper said. It added that the Americans have apparently not assented to the idea, and that the Palestinians are likely to reject it.
The idea is aimed at addressing two central issues in a possible peace agreement: first, land swaps between Israel and a Palestinian state that would enable Israel to expand its sovereignty to encompass major West Bank settlements, while compensating the Palestinians with territory that is currently part of sovereign Israel; and second, preserving Israel’s Jewish majority.
Liberman on Sunday also warned of millions of Palestinian refugees who would move to the future Palestinian state as soon as it is created. “There’s no doubt that the Palestinians who today live in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan will all consider moving to the Palestinian state,” he said. Currently an estimated 2.4 million Palestinians live in the West Bank, with almost 3 million in the three countries he mentioned. “Let’s take into consideration that the Palestinian economy is not like the economy of Switzerland or Norway,” he said. “They need to live and work somewhere. What will happen then? What kind of pressure will be exerted on Israel then?”
Liberman said he rejected a Palestinian “right of return” even on a theoretical basis. “I will not sign any agreement that includes any right of return into Israel, not even a single person. Because if you keep that option open, even theoretically or on a limited scale, it will invite a lot of pressure. And this pressure will be very heavy.”
It was important to look at the day after the signing of a possible peace agreement, Liberman said.
“It is important [to know] if we can live with the pressure that will be exerted on us, from outside and from within. Will a signature on the agreement with the Palestinians bring about an end to pressure on Israel from international community, or instead of so-called settlements, will those who criticize us over the settlements find something else to pressure us about?” Liberman said.
Indeed, the very same people who currently decry Israel over settlement expansions are already preparing to challenge Israel on other issues, such as the Bedouin or Israel’s Jewish communities in the Galilee. “These are exactly the same people,” he said. “It is clear that they are not about to calm down. Even if we sign a peace agreement and the issue with the settlements is solved, they’re already preparing the next issues.”
Earlier in this speech, Liberman praised Kerry for his efforts to bring Israelis and Palestinians to sign a final status deal, and said that there was value in the negotiations even if they did not lead to a deal. While he said that Israel needs to look for other partners across the globe, Jerusalem’s relations with the United States are the “cornerstone” of Israel’s foreign policy.
‘I would like to express genuine appreciation for the efforts of Secretary of State John Kerry, who works night and day and uses all his experience trying to end our conflict with the Palestinians,” the foreign minister said. “It needs to be understood that any alternative proposals brought forward by the international community will suit us much less.”

January 6, 2014 at 12:34 PM
Be safe. Saturday, I will be on my way from Florida to Israel.
January 6, 2014 at 4:09 PM
Have a safe flight.
January 6, 2014 at 10:08 PM
Joseph, you need to take the Kerry quiz
A mini 5 + 1 question quiz for Secretary Kerry
http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/a-mini-5-1-question-quiz-for-secretary.html
January 7, 2014 at 8:49 PM
Happy new year, everybody.
January 7, 2014 at 8:58 PM
Utter appeasement.
Of course, it’s always them Jooz who spoil the appeasement party.
LobeLog: The Iran Nuclear Negotiations At The Turn Of Another Year
http://www.lobelog.com/the-iran-nuclear-negotiations-at-the-turn-of-another-year/
January 7, 2014 at 9:05 PM
First they talked about prevention, then about containment.
Now they don’t even talk about containment.
More appeasement and wishful thinking.
The Atlantic: The Moral Case for Ending America’s Cold War with Iran
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/01/the-moral-case-for-ending-americas-cold-war-with-iran/282857/
January 7, 2014 at 9:19 PM
Wait a minute. Didn’t Khamenei state in his ‘fatwa’ that nukes are unislamic?
Here’s the ugly truth for all those foolish pundits.
Any questions?
The Washington Free Beacon: Iranian Cleric: ‘Having a Nuclear Bomb is Necessary to Put Down Israel’
http://freebeacon.com/iranian-cleric-having-a-nuclear-bomb-is-necessary-to-put-down-israel/
January 8, 2014 at 7:49 AM
Well this Iranian cleric is just obviously not one of Khameini’s hassidim, you see.
January 7, 2014 at 9:24 PM
A rare voice of sanity.
Commentary magazine: Kerry’s Iranian Mosaic of Appeasement
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/01/06/kerrys-iranian-mosaic-of-appeasement/
January 8, 2014 at 5:17 PM
ALERT….watch out for email from someone claiming to be JW with a gmail account. According to gmail, the account is inactive and contains a link to a website in Argentina containing some type of document. I would not click on the link as it contains a PHP executable file. Someone is screwing with us.
January 8, 2014 at 8:46 PM
Sending off emails may not have been a good idea….
January 8, 2014 at 9:31 PM
Do you know a better way to send messages?
I’ve received the same email.
If this is a fraudulent message there are only 3 ways someone can know my email adress:
– Someone gaiined access to Joseph’s wordpress account
– Someone gained access to my email account or JW’s or the other guys’ email accounts.
– One of us gave my email address unintentionally or intentionally away.
If this is fraudulent, then I would suspect #1 and #2
January 8, 2014 at 10:04 PM
I did not send out my email and I received no message..
My guess would be #2
January 8, 2014 at 10:18 PM
My further guess is considering how long Joes’s been at this, his email could have been compromised.
January 8, 2014 at 11:04 PM
What’s the issue with the emails?
Are they genuine or fake?
January 8, 2014 at 11:56 PM
I only received one email. 99% sure it’s fake and malicious. There’s a good chance we were attacked. Only JW can confirm otherwise.
January 9, 2014 at 12:03 AM
Yeah I just got one as well. Emails as in everyone else got one too 😛
January 8, 2014 at 11:24 PM
I was unsure about the request for emails in the first place. Joe, care to dissuade any concerns people may have?
January 8, 2014 at 11:26 PM
He’s maybe not able to message if he’s still travelling
January 8, 2014 at 11:51 PM
Ok I have done some investigation.
The email that was sent to me today was not sent to the address that I gave Joe some weeks ago. However its possible Joe had that one in his contacts list.
It appears that it was from his Gmail account. Also is someone had hacked they would have also sent an email to my other address that I gave some weeks ago and not the one used back in Nov 2012.
My computer anti-malware and security went into overdrive and blocked the website link that was sent.
Now it may be possible Joe sent a genuine email and link but through a unsafe website?
The website in question is Argentinian and seems to be an antique seller. Registered by Asociacion Feria de Anticuarios
January 9, 2014 at 1:10 AM
It’s not difficult to spoof an email address.
Did I understand you correctly?
You receieved the same message we did on the email address you gave JW in 2012 but not on the one you gave him more recently?
This is an important question because if that mail is indeed a fraud, the answer could give us an important clue.
It may be an authentic email but it looks awfully suspicious for many reasons.
Look again at the message and the style it is written.
From the subject to the salutation to the closing.of the message.
It’s not typical of Joseph’s style.
Also untypical is the fact that only the BCC field is specified.
And finally, why would JW use an obscure Argentian site to share a document?
Looks like someone is phishing for our passwords login data and such stuff.
That’s why I won’t touch that message until I get positive confirmation.
January 9, 2014 at 1:47 AM
Yes it was emailed to an address I gave in Nov 2012 and not the recent one I gave out. But both enter the same inbox if that makes sense.
My suspicions were raised by the fact that it wasn’t his style too.
However I have had some weird goings on via email from an old member of this site. Its probably not linked but I’m going to check things out.