Iran halts nuclear talks for ‘consultations’
Iran halts nuclear talks for ‘consultations’ | The Times of Israel.
Negotiators call off Vienna session after US blacklists a dozen overseas companies and individuals for evading sanctions on Tehran
Iranian negotiators in Vienna called off nuclear talks late Thursday with world powers, citing a need for “consultations” with Tehran.
“The Iranian negotiators interrupted the talks with the P5+1 [Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States, plus Germany] for consultations in Tehran,” the Islamic Republic New Agency (IRNA) reported Friday.
AFP reported Friday that the decision to halt the talks came hours after Washington blacklisted a dozen overseas companies and individuals for evading US sanctions on Iran.
“Today’s actions should be a stark reminder to businesses, banks and brokers everywhere that we will continue relentlessly to enforce our sanctions, even as we explore the possibility of a long-term, comprehensive resolution of our concerns with Iran’s nuclear program,” Treasury undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence David Cohen was quoted by AFP as saying.
Negotiators from both sides had been discussing implementation measures to the interim nuclear deal reached in the Swiss capital last month, in which Iran agreed to scale back parts of its controversial nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.
The six-month interim deal was meant to allow both sides to reach a more permanent, comprehensive agreement.
IRNA reported that the next round of talks would be held in Tehran on January 21, 2014.
On Thursday, the US government targeted more than two dozen companies and people for evading sanctions against Iran, an effort by the Obama administration to show it will enforce existing law even as it presses Congress to hold off on additional measures while world powers pursue a comprehensive nuclear deal with Tehran.
The action freezes the US assets of firms in Panama, Singapore, Ukraine and elsewhere for maintaining covert business with Iran’s national tanker company. Other companies involved directly in the proliferation of material useful for weapons of mass destruction also were blacklisted from the US market. American citizens are banned from any transactions with the listed individuals and firms.
The announcement by the Treasury and State departments came as the administration was furiously lobbying lawmakers to refrain from any new package of sanctions on Iran after last month’s agreement. As part of the deal, the US agreed to no new nuclear-related financial penalties against Tehran for six months, and Iran’s foreign minister has warned that any such action could kill the diplomatic effort.
Still, many Republicans and Democrats in Congress have called for even tougher measures to raise the pressure further on the Islamic republic, despite the administration’s pleas for patience.
Also Thursday, at a US Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, top American nuclear negotiator Wendy Sherman sought to assure members that the interim deal was effective, and that sanctions relief through the deal will be minimal.
But Sherman used conditional language that appeared to indicate a reluctance to commit that the ultimate level of sanctions relief, offered to Iran under the deal for partially freezing its rogue nuclear program, would indeed be held to the previously stated $6-7 billion.
Recent reports in Israeli media have suggested that ultimately, the total sanctions relief offered in the agreement will be closer to $20 billion, and have also asserted that various “under the table” concessions were made to Iran in Geneva.
Rebecca Shimoni Stoil contributed to this report.
WarSclerotic 
December 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM
Iran, North Korea, Russia, China etc have all been emboldened simply because of the weak leadership from Obama
December 13, 2013 at 5:33 PM
The US shouldn’t even talk to these bastards before they release this poor man.
PLEASE HELP this man in any way you can.
Wife of American pastor held in Iran blasts Obama administration for not doing enough to free him
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/12/wife-american-pastor-held-in-iran-blasts-obama-administration-for-not-doing/
“… She said the imprisoned American’s father saw Abedini 10 days ago and reported that has internal bleeding from repeated beatings at the hands of guards and fellow inmates and was covered with lice …”
“… Abedini “went to Iran to build an orphanage for Iranian children last year” and “remains in an absolute hell-hole prison,” Smith told the committee …”
“… His condition has worsened and the kids and I fear his life …”
December 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM
Truly a testament to the evil that exists in Iran today.
December 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM
December 13, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Someone please wake me up when the headline reads “Iran nuclear talks halted by war”!
Anything else isn’t worth the time to read anymore.
December 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM
That’s why there has been a marked reduction of the pieces I’ve posted.
We’ve all had ENOUGH !
December 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Everything has been said remains only reps
But I wish you all a 2014 full of happiness and wisdom, let’s 2013 relegated to the history of international political failure.
Now the end of the year approaches I was looking for some words
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel,
for he has visited and redeemed his people
and has raised up a horn of salvation for us
in the house of his servant David,
as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old,
that we should be saved from our enemies
and from the hand of all who hate us;
to show the mercy promised to our fathers
and to remember his holy covenant,
the oath that he swore to our father Abraham, to grant us
that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
might serve him without fear,
in holiness and righteousness before him all our days.
And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High;
for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways,
to give knowledge of salvation to his people
in the forgiveness of their sins,
because of the tender mercy of our God,
whereby the sunrise shall visit us from on high
to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death,
to guide our feet into the way of peace.”
yehi ‘or
And let the light shine on you
December 14, 2013 at 5:30 PM
I think right now we are in a bit of a holding pattern. I consider it unlikely that Israel would give the “go order” while Kerry is in country (which seems to be half the time now), but even more unlikely while Jerusalem is digging out of a snowstorm.
December 14, 2013 at 3:06 PM
The IDF is about to consult with Iran.
December 14, 2013 at 5:05 PM
I was listening to a Bible app on my Smart Phone this week, in Exodus, just before God brought the children of Israel across the sea. The admonition to the people was something to the effect of “Don’t be afraid, stand firm and see the salvation of the Lord.” Pretty good words for today. Ross
December 14, 2013 at 8:28 PM
Obama is not a Shia Muslim. He is just testing Iran now. After some weeks he will give up trying to reach a deal with them. Since he is a Sunni Muslim he will hep the Saudis (and Israel) and wipe out the Iranian nuclear infrastructure.
I find a lot of comfort in Mark BIltz theories about the 4 blood-moons from 15.04.2014 (Passover) to 28.09.2015 (Sukkot) During this period Israel will be restored and your enemies will be destroyed. So please have some patience!
John Hagee has a good video on this also:
I know the one calling himself a prophet here hates this since he hates prophecy. I just ask you to to test this theory. You just have to wait and see how things will unfold. I think the G-d of Abraham, Isac and Jacob is longing for his people to turn to him.
December 15, 2013 at 5:42 AM
Yes, our yearning for each other is what makes everthin’ tick, of that you can be sure.
December 15, 2013 at 7:03 AM
Good grief!!!! The war has been called off for lack of interest by the world, and lack of resolve by Israeli leadership. Prophecy, written by men who lived in mud huts thousands of years ago has no place in the word today. If there is a great maker, he’s the maker of all that is seen and unseen and not just that of one small tribe living on a backwater in the Milky Way Galaxy. How many galaxies in the Universe? This is a difficult number to know for certain, since we can only see a fraction of the Universe, even with our most powerful instruments. The most current estimates guess that there are 100 to 200 billion galaxies in the Universe, each of which has hundreds of billions of stars. A recent German supercomputer simulation put that number even higher: 500 billion. In other words, there could be a galaxy out there for every star in the Milky. Time to stop listening to men who lived in mud huts thousands of years ago.
December 15, 2013 at 9:45 AM
Mudhuts or skyrisers, ramshorns or sattelites, we remain all exactly the same mortal beings and THIS planet earth is where it’s all happening. And the downfall of the Persian great grandaddy Haman was brought on by his arrogance and I can almost guarantie y’all that that’s what will bring down the Mullahs just as well.
It will be yet another of the WH’s successful failures,
a purely genious stroke of idiotic diplomacy.
December 15, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Oh the irony.
May I ask why you call yourself ‘John Prophet’ if prophecy has no place in the world today?
Was it not you who used to say “it is written”?
I also want to remind you that those men ‘living in mud huts’ where the same men who made it possible that we today can see all those galaxies and all the beauties of the universe.
It were those men who made it possible that we can communicate in a matter of seconds even if we are thousands of miles apart.
Modern science did not develop over night,
The foundations of science as well as the philosophies which made science possible were laid in the ancient world thousands of years ago.
It seems pretty arrogant to assume that these men somehow were just primitive people without knowledge and wisdom.
Anyway, the prophets did not write something that they made up but what God showed them through visions.
The return of to Jewish people to their homeland was prophesied thousands of years ago and no matter how improbable it seemed until very recently it did finally happen.
I’m sceptical of the above video but that does not invalidate bible prophecy.
December 15, 2013 at 10:13 PM
Those men who lived in mud huts through no fault of their own new nothing of the universe we know of today. To them what was around them was pretty much it. So it would be natural for them to believe it was all about them and that god focused only on them.
Time to adjust our thinking. What if there are others out there in the universe, what then? Would god not favor them? All gods creatures large and small, or just one small tribe on our tiny blue marble. Time to grow up, we don’t live in mud huts anymore!
December 16, 2013 at 3:24 AM
5th century BC: Demokritos (first atomic hypothesis).
3rd century BC: Aristarchus of Samos (first recorded proponent of a sun centered cosmos).
Sokrates, Platon and Aristoteles, Phythagoras, Archimedes (who formulated the laws of logic) and Hippocrates.
These and many others not mentioned were the founders of modern science, medicine, mathematics, geometry, and astronomy.
They even calculated the diameter of the earth and the distance to the sun.
Without these men there would be no modern science and technology.
But even these men drew upon earlier knowledge like the knowledge from Egypt and other ancient cultures.
“Those men who lived in mud huts through no fault of their own new nothing of the universe we know of today. To them what was around them was pretty much it. So it would be natural for them to believe it was all about them and that god focused only on them.”
You yourself are living proof that this was not the case.
You yorself speculate about things you have never seen (others out there).
What makes you think that these men were not able to think and speculate about things they had never seen?
Give me a break.
There was a debate among Greek philosophers about possible other worlds.
Do yourself a favor and study for yourself what they knew before before making such obviously false statements.
In any case man always believed that there was more than he could see.
“Time to adjust our thinking. What if there are others out there in the universe, what then? Would god not favor them? All gods creatures large and small, or just one small tribe on our tiny blue marble. Time to grow up, we don’t live in mud huts anymore!”
Here we go again. What a convincing argument.
Time for YOU to grow up. There is no evidence whatsover that there is extraterestrial life.
Science doesn’t even know how life began. How in the world can we then say that there must be life somewhere else.
At best this is wishful thinking, hoping that somehow life spontaniously began to exist.
This is not a scientific.
A God that loves his creation would love all of it, INCLUDING US.
An allknowing being would by necessety create only things he cares about and not things he would hate or not care about.
So, this argument fails, again.
But that does not rule out that God chose different creatures or tribes for differnet purposes.
Neither does it rule out that we are at the center of his plan.
Finally, science is not infallible but it has to correct itself. That is the strength of science.
And while during the 19th century many scientist believed in an universe that existed forever and therefore didn’t need any creator modern science has come to the conclusion that the universe began to exist in an event called the big bang.
This conforms with Genesis. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
So, this idea that future scientific results necessarily have to be in conflict with the bible is not backed up by the facts.
The ancients were far more advanced than you want to make us think.
Watch this.
December 16, 2013 at 3:28 AM
Wrong video.
This is the correct one.
December 16, 2013 at 4:03 AM
Artaxes perhaps it is you who needs to read more.
“Geocentric” redirects here. For orbits around the Earth, see Geocentric orbit.
“Figure of the heavenly bodies — An illustration of the Ptolemaic geocentric system by Portuguese cosmographer and cartographer Bartolomeu Velho, 1568 (Bibliothèque Nationale, Paris)
In astronomy, the geocentric model (also known as geocentrism, or the Ptolemaic system), is a description of the cosmos where Earth is at the orbital center of all celestial bodies. This model served as the predominant cosmological system in many ancient civilizations such as ancient Greece. As such, they assumed that the Sun, Moon, stars, and naked eye planets circled Earth, including the noteworthy systems of Aristotle (see Aristotelian physics) and Ptolemy.[1]
Two commonly made observations supported the idea that Earth was the center of the Universe. The first observation was that the stars, the sun, and planets appear to revolve around Earth each day, making Earth the center of that system. Further, every star was on a “stellar” or “celestial” sphere, of which the earth was the center, that rotated each day, using a line through the north and south pole as an axis. The stars closest to the equator appeared to rise and fall the greatest distance, but each star circled back to its rising point each day.[2] The second common notion supporting the geocentric model was that the Earth does not seem to move from the perspective of an Earth bound observer, and that it is solid, stable, and unmoving. In other words, it is completely at rest.
The geocentric model was usually combined with a spherical Earth by ancient Roman and medieval philosophers. It is not the same as the older flat Earth model implied in some mythology, as was the case with the biblical and postbiblical Latin cosmology.[n 1][n 2][n 3] The ancient Jewish uranography pictured a flat Earth over which was put a dome-shaped rigid canopy, named firmament (רקיע- rāqîa’).[n 4][n 5][n 6][n 7][n 8][n 9]
However, the ancient Greeks believed that the motions of the planets were circular and not elliptical, a view that was not challenged in Western culture until the 17th century through the synthesis of theories by Copernicus and Kepler.
The astronomical predictions of Ptolemy’s geocentric model were used to prepare astrological charts for over 1500 years. The geocentric model held sway into the early modern age, but from the late 16th century onward was gradually superseded by the heliocentric model of Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler. However, the transition between these two theories met much resistance, not only from Christian theologians, who were reluctant to reject a theory that was in agreement with Bible passages (e.g. “Sun, stand you still upon Gibeon”, Joshua 10:12 – King James 2000 Bible), but also from those who saw geocentrism as an accepted consensus that could not be subverted by a new, unknown theory.”
December 16, 2013 at 4:28 AM
Artaxes, you are a product of your environment. If you were born in India you’d be a product of a different environment and would hold different beliefs. Believe what you want means nothing to me one way or the other. But why does the accident of where we are born determine what we believe. You’ve been trained to believe based on your environment. Wake up, open yours eyes and see on your own and not what others have told you to see.
December 16, 2013 at 4:37 AM
Artaxes old buddy, more reading for you.
“For centuries it was believed that the Earth was the center of the universe. This belief, known as the geocentric model, held that the Earth was stationary while the sky revolved above it on a set of celestial spheres.
Aristotle eloquently argued how the Earth must be stationary and thus the center of the universe because
you could not feel the Earth move;
there was no wind due to a moving Earth, hence it must be stationary;
the birds and the clouds would be left behind if the Earth were moving; and
if the Earth were moving the stars would display a parallax effect.
This was to be the common belief for over 1800 years, not only because of the persuasive arguments of Aristotle, but also because a feature of the Greek philosophy was that the universe was perfect. So, they believed that the celestial spheres the stars moved on were perfect, and everything in the sky was perfect.
Later, as the Catholic Church rose to prominence, this would be interpreted as a philosophy of a perfect sky as an indication of a perfect God. Therefore, any philosophy that did not agree with the geocentric belief was considered heretical. Anyone professing such beliefs risked facing the wrath of the Church. This understandably made people reluctant to present new ideas.
In 1543, Nicolaus Copernicus published Concerning the Revolutions of Celestial Spheres. He was very elderly, and in fact received the first copy of his book the day he died. This undoubtedly played a role in his decision to publish, because his book presented the then-controversial idea of what we call the heliocentric model.
What Copernicus claimed was that the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the universe, and the Earth, stars, and planets all revolved about the Sun. It is this book that marks the beginning of modern astronomy and modern science. Because of the enormous importance of the work, the heliocentric model is commonly called the Copernican System.
Copernicus’ work was initially rejected and his book was banned by the Church. But the damage had been done, and Johannes Kepler devoted himself to the task of mathematically describing the orbits of the planets about the Sun. He was able to solve this problem by 1619 with what is now known as Kepler’s Three Laws of Planetary Motion.
Galileo declared in the early 1600s that he believed in the Copernican System, but he didn’t have the necessary tools to prove it. However, by the end of 1610, Galileo had access to a new tool to prove his beliefs: the telescope. In that year, or early 1611, Galileo became the first person to observe the heavens through a telescope.
He immediately made several amazing discoveries, including mountains on the Moon and moons orbiting Jupiter (now known as the Galilean moons), and also discovered that the Milky Way was made of thousands of small stars and Venus went through a whole set of phases like the Moon. He presented his findings in a book called Sidereus Nuncias (The Messenger of the Stars) in 1611.
His beliefs would eventually bring him before the Inquisition, where he was forced to recant his beliefs before the court and later placed under house arrest, although it was not rigorously enforced.
But before long, the popularity of the Copernican System grew until it was the accepted model. Does this mean that it was no longer believed that we were the center of the universe? No. The belief was that the Sun, not the Earth, was at the center of the universe.
So we were still focused on the idea that there was something special about us. We had simply moved the universal center from our planet to our star. One of the reasons for this is because astronomers saw basically the same numbers of stars in all directions. If we were not the center, they reasoned, then we would see more stars in one direction than another. Since this was not the case, it must be because we were at the center.
By the latter part of the nineteenth century, a number of star groups called globular clusters had been identified. Globular clusters are large, spherical groups of stars, numbering in the hundreds of thousands, or even millions of stars, and orbit the Milky Way.
Distances to these globular clusters could be calculated, and the astronomer Harlow Shapley reasoned that if we were at the center of the universe, there should be an even distribution of globular clusters in all directions. However, when he plotted the locations of the globular clusters, he found we were not at the center of the Milky Way, and he was able to make a good estimate of the distance to the true center.
Then it was established that the Sun was not the center of the universe, but it was still thought that the center of the Milky Way was the center of the universe. It was not until the twentieth century that it was finally established that neither we nor our galaxy formed the center of the universe.”
December 16, 2013 at 5:28 AM
There are many religions on the planet, many. And everyone believes theirs is the correct religion and all others are incorrect. How can this be? We are force feed our beliefs by our environment. Born in India you’re Hindu born in Iran your all about Islam. If the populations that were born in India and Iran could be switched at birth, the beliefs they would develop would also be switched. We are born with a brain that’s pretty much a clean slate to be filled up by our environment. Bible thumping Southern Baptists in America would be Hindu Monks if born in India. Only in the last few years has the world been hard wired by global communication. For millennial populations separated by distance were free to come up with their own unique creation beliefs/myths. None of which could possibly have it correct based on there primitive origins.
December 16, 2013 at 5:49 AM
“. . . this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces . . . science is more than a body of knowledge it’s a way of thinking . . . if we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical of those in authority, then we’re up for grabs, for the next charlatan, political or religious who comes ambling along. It’s a thing that Jefferson lay great stress on; there wasn’t enough he said, to enshrine some rights in a constitution or a bill of rights; the people had to be educated and they had to practice their skepticism and their education, otherwise we don’t run the government, the government runs us.”
Carl Sagan
December 16, 2013 at 8:13 PM
People do not control people, doctrine controls people. It is written.
December 16, 2013 at 8:33 PM
It is also written that people write doctrine, though I prefer the more inclusive term “ideology.”
It’s the bane of human existence; substituting doctrine for observation.
December 16, 2013 at 9:07 PM
“When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man’s moral constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it? Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party? Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?”
-Mark Twain
December 16, 2013 at 10:18 PM
Big fan of Mark Twain :0)
December 16, 2013 at 10:28 PM
“Faith is believing what you know ain’t so,” and “If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be – a Christian.”
Mark Twain :0)
December 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM
One more Twainisim,
Giving up smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I know because I’ve done it thousands of times.
Mark Twain
December 17, 2013 at 2:45 AM
“Artaxes, you are a product of your environment. If you were born in India you’d be a product of a different environment and would hold different beliefs. Believe what you want means nothing to me one way or the other. But why does the accident of where we are born determine what we believe. You’ve been trained to believe based on your environment. Wake up, open yours eyes and see on your own and not what others have told you to see”
Good old John.
You always make the same mistakes. Always refuting yourself.
If it is true that we are a product of our environment then YOU are a product of YOUR environment.
If that is the case then your beliefs are no different from any other beliefs.
This means that your belief that our beliefs are a product of our environment is itself the product of your environment.
The end result: If your belief is true, then you cannot claim that it is true.
Isn’t that funny?
Failed argument #1523…
Assuming that you are the product of your environment, how in the world can you know that your belief is true and the others wrong?
Unless you are a prophet with special revelation or some other kind of special knowledge your claims are ridiculous and you cannot know that your belief is true.
You are the displaying pretty much arrogance.
To me it seems that you think your belief is correct by default and therefore you don’t deem it necessary to apply the same rules to your belief that you demand from others.
Unless you think that your belief is above the other beliefes there is no basis for your claim.
Reminds me of the guy in the mental asylum who called all the others crazy …
“Wake up, open yours eyes and see on your own and not what others have told you to see”
Again, what arrogance. Claiming that I don’t see for myself.
Are you kidding? Newsflash: Not everyone who thinks and sees for himself comes to the same conclusions as you do.
It’s called free thinking. And as you should know freedom means that the outcome might not be what you expect.
Regardless of the society you live in and regardless of how you was ‘brainwashed’, no one can force a belief upon you.
You have to decide to believe. To believe in something takes an act of free will.
How else would you explain that in any society and despite of their upbringing there were always people who did not hold the predominant belief.
How else would yo explain fully conscious conversions from one religion to another sometimes even despite of death threats.
All this is equally true for conversions from religion to secularism and from secularism to religion.
“There are many religions on the planet, many. And everyone believes theirs is the correct religion and all others are incorrect. How can this be? We are force feed our beliefs by our environment. Born in India you’re Hindu born in Iran your all about Islam. If the populations that were born in India and Iran could be switched at birth, the beliefs they would develop would also be switched. We are born with a brain that’s pretty much a clean slate to be filled up by our environment. Bible thumping Southern Baptists in America would be Hindu Monks if born in India. Only in the last few years has the world been hard wired by global communication. ”
My dear John.
How you come to your beliefs says nothing about their veracity.
If you believe in Newton’s axioms because your father was a physics professor or if you believe in Newton’s axioms because your father was a preacher who told you that they are God’s law doesn’t matter. All that matters is: Are Newton’s axioms true? No matter how you came to believe them, you can test if they are true.
Since all religions make conflicting claims they cannot all be true. But that does not mean that they are all false. In the same way we can test everything else we can test the veracity of religious claims by using the methods of history, logic, philosopy, reason, common sense and sound exegesis of the scriptures.
“For millennial populations separated by distance were free to come up with their own unique creation beliefs/myths. None of which could possibly have it correct based on there primitive origins.”
That’s a pretty bold statement.
How many religions are there? Do you know them all? Do you know them good enough to make such claims?
Somehow I doubt it.
While you failed to address some of my questions you pasted a lot of irrelevant stuff about geocentrism etc.
Why is it irrelevant?
In short:
You claimed that the religions came from a bunch of guys living in mud huts and totally clueless about the world.
I refuted this claim by showing how much they knew already in ancient times.
Whether geocentrism was or became the predominant model is absolutely irrelevant.
But as irrelevent as these posts are they are useful because they show us several things.
1. The predominant model is not necessarily the correct model.
2. New, better models were developed after questioning the predominant model.
3. Ironically the church oppressed Galileo and others because the church adopted the predominant secular model and forced it on everybody else.
You seem to have adopted the current predominant world view and like many others before you you seem to think that this is the right one.
But as #1 shows us this doesn’t have to be true.
May I also remind you that naturalism is not something that science can prove but it is a philosphical assumption.
I wholeheartedly agree with Carl Sagan.
“if we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical of those in authority, then we’re up for grabs, for the next charlatan, political or religious who comes ambling along.”
Yes, we should ask sceptical questions, including questions about the PREDOMINANT WORLD VIEW and INCLUDING ABOUT SCIENCE ITSELF.
If we cannot do this the predominant world view and science will become tools of oppression instead of tools for liberation.
As I’ve said before, you are really a nice guy and I even have sympathy for you.
So, I hope that you see this not as a personal attack but as an opportunity to reflect on your own views and on your methods of argumentation.
December 17, 2013 at 3:38 AM
“Artaxes doth protest too much, methinks.” My apologies to Shakespeare.
“Artaxes, your enmity betrays you” . My apologies to Star Wars.
Artaxea, since we don’t know what’s possible anything is possible, so rest your mind and be at peace with your beliefs. Live long and prosper!
December 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM
John…
Please post a comment with multiple links with your email again. I seem to have lost it somehow.
Cheers!
Joe
December 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM
John, quoting Shakespeare cannot rescue a failed argument.
Love, hate and enmity are all time consuming and I don’t have that much time. I just respond from time to time to things with I don’t agree. It just happens that we both disagree more often.
Peace be with you.
December 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM
My favorite was the one where Mark Twain was asked if he believed in heaven and hell. He said it was best not to respond since he has friends in both places.
December 16, 2013 at 10:47 PM
:o) very funny :0)
December 15, 2013 at 2:11 PM
The most famous Jew in history one said: “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. (“men living in mud huts”?) (Matt 11:25)
I start to understand why G-d is hiding from the arrogant today.
Study the book of Esther and you will see how Iran will be brought down. You all know who Haman is today. Is Esther the Christians in the US and Ahasuerus Obama? History will repeat itself and Israel will become a light to the nations, again.
I don’t ask you to become Christians if you are Jews. I ask you to become Torah believing Jews waiting for our common Messiah. True Judaism and true Christianity is one religion waiting for the Messiah. (When Messiah has arrived we can ask Him if He has been here before – or not)
December 15, 2013 at 11:05 PM
Big like
December 16, 2013 at 9:24 PM
As a Christian, I already believe the Messiah was here and feel no need to ask him when he returns. I suspect most of us will have a lot more pressing things to ask of Him. To deny this is to throw out the Christian interpretation of the New Testament which lies at the very foundation of Christianity. However, with our Jewish brothers, I feel we Christians are blessed to await this miraculous event in good company.