Whether you feel affected by a spate of terrorist attacks against innocent civilians over the weekend in Kenya, Pakistan and Iraq in the name of Islam or not at all, welcome to the nightmare.
A long time ago I had a dream. It was about a bright future for the people I descend from, for my native language and for the next generations. My dream was built on a deep belief that we are people who deserve better than what was given to us by our own leaders first and by the world second. In my dream, everything was reformed: from schools curricula to civic duty, patriotism, loyalty, family values, freedoms and liberties. I saw our future in many of the books I read, the ethnic diversity of my friends, the mosaic of politics and ideologies within my circle of family and friends.
Add to that people I came across all over Lebanon during a civil war that destroyed and divided the nation beyond any hope of repair. My dream could absorb various possibilities of rebellion, uprising and revolution. It also had room for diplomacy, negotiations and peacefully demanding rights. My dream was vast enough to include everyone and every ideology as long as freedom, equality and prosperity for all was the aim.
Realization
What was never in my dream is terrorism. Nor did I ever associate symbolic words such as Youth, Students, Base or God with suicide bombs or killing the innocent. In Nairobi over the weekend at least sixty eight people were killed because they were not Muslim or could not name the mother of Prophet Mohammad as the al-Qaeda-linked “al-Shabab” demanded. In Peshawar, a suicide attack, which the Taliban-linked group “Jundullah” claimed responsibility for, killed more than 80 Christian worshippers.
In Sadr City more than sixty mourners were killed at a Shiite funeral in twin suicide attacks. Yes, the same terrorism in the name of Islam is butchering people on a daily basis all over Iraq. It is also committed regularly from Damascus to Mindanao to Xinjiang.
All continents are now under threat. It is cheap to terrorize, but very expensive to prevent terrorism or fight it. It is easy to deploy terrorists, but difficult and tedious to recruit and train people to fight them and eradicate them. Terrorism is my enemy, and terrorism in the name of Islam should be treated as first enemy of Islam and every one of us. We need to acknowledge the threat and fight it head on. Otherwise, it will be the nightmare we will not wake up from any time soon!
This article was first published in Lebanon-based Annahar on September 23, 2013.
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Multi-award-winning journalist Octavia Nasr served as CNN’s senior editor of Middle Eastern affairs, and is regarded as one of the pioneers of the use of social media in traditional media. She moved to CNN in 1990, but was dismissed in 2010 after tweeting her sorrow at the death of Hezbollah’s Mohammed Fadlallah. Nasr now runs her own firm, Bridges Media Consulting, whose main aim is to help companies better leverage the use of social networks.
September 25, 2013 at 6:49 PM
I wonder how many here are remembering the speech delivered by Aldo Raine (Brad Pitt) to its elite squad, before they started the operations ( ”Inglorious Basterds” movie – not ”bastards” ), behind the Nazis lines, in Germany.
If you really , I mean, really, want to know how to deal with the islamists, just listen to Aldo Raine. ( just do the swap between the words ”nazis” and ”islamists”.)
September 26, 2013 at 7:12 AM
Not bad, Luis…
However it pales in comparison to the grandaddy of them all, Patton’s opening speech by George C. Scott.
I did a thorough search and could not find a good copy online, so I took all night and uploaded an HD version.
Now, Youtube is telling me it’s blocked. However, it seems to work. Let me know, OK?
September 26, 2013 at 7:17 AM
Its blocked on copyright grounds, but hey, thx anyway. I can find one on the net (I hope).
September 26, 2013 at 7:21 AM
Here…. It’s crap quality is all…..
September 26, 2013 at 7:28 AM
Trying again. The imbed code didn’t seem to work.
Here’s the URL:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=99f_1226701416
September 26, 2013 at 7:44 AM
I watched it, thx Joseph. Sincerely? I still love a lot more that Aldo Raine and his ”basterds”. He was more incisive, in my opinion.
September 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM
WADE into them…
Spill THEIR blood…
Shoot THEM in the belly…
We’re going to hold on to him by the nose, and going to kick him in the ass….
We’re going to to kick the HELL out of him all the time, and we’re going to through him LIKE CRAP THROUGH A GOOSE!
(I actually think I know the whole speech by heart… Heh!)
Trying now to u/l it to DailyMotion. Maybe they’ll let it pass.
September 26, 2013 at 3:40 PM
OK…. I finally got it up on Daily Motion in HD. Enjoy!
Patton's Opening speech to the troops – George… by josephwouk
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Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
Men, all this stuff you’ve heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans, traditionally, love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle.
When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. Now, I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.
Now, an army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating.
Now, we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. You know, by God, I actually pity those poor bastards we’re going up against. By God, I do. We’re not just going to shoot the bastards. We’re going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun bastards by the bushel.
Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you’ll chicken-out under fire. Don’t worry about it. I can assure you that you will all do your duty. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend’s face, you’ll know what to do.
Now there’s another thing I want you to remember. I don’t want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We’re not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding onto anything — except the enemy. We’re going to hold onto him by the nose, and we’re gonna kick him in the ass. We’re gonna kick the hell out of him all the time, and we’re gonna go through him like crap through a goose!
Now, there’s one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home, and you may thank God for it. Thirty years from now when you’re sitting around your fireside with your grandson on your knee, and he asks you, “What did you do in the great World War II?” — you won’t have to say, “Well, I shoveled shit in Louisiana.”
Alright now you sons-of-bitches, you know how I feel.
Oh, I will be proud
to lead you wonderful guys
into battle anytime,
anywhere.
That’s all.
September 26, 2013 at 6:24 PM
JW, I’d watch out with copyrighted material. I had a 50X50 thumbnail photo on my website that was owned by Getty Images. I had no idea. Just got it off the internet to serve as a highlight to one of my webpages. Anyway, their robotic program found it and I was charged $811 to settle on the infringement. After researching the situation, I found it to be a legitimate claim and was advised to pay it since they would most likely take it to court for a greater amount. Live and learn I always say. Anyway, I scrubbed all my websites of any material I did not produce or receive from the owner with his permission for use. I’m just thankful all I had was one measly photo. I read some folks have many and get charged in the $thousands. Stay safe.
September 26, 2013 at 6:33 PM
They have to show damage. The piece I put up is “fair use” under any calculus and will only serve as an ad for people to buy their movie.
Let ’em come and get me….
September 26, 2013 at 6:49 PM
Maybe so, but I did not want to spend any more money on a court battle. That’s why they call the letter they sent me ‘extortion letters’. It comes to you in the mail and is quite friendly, but firm. They demand the immediate removal of the offending material and the payment of the use of the unlicensed material they found on your website. It’s a billion dollar business. They have thousands of licensed photos, music, videos, etc. They then use special software bots to run rampant in the internet mining it for money. Unfortunately, it’s legal. Unfortunately, they are just one company among many who do the dirty deed. Maybe I was foolish to settle. And then, maybe not. I think of it as the price I had to pay to have peace of mind.
September 25, 2013 at 6:58 PM
I hope this link is correct and will work:
September 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM
I think many are waiting for the true Muslims to take back their religion…terrorism and the evident likking of the innocent is an abomination in the sight of GOD
September 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM
It was always a problem for a silent majority to make a stand against an emerging dictator or a violent party. The same apply to the religion. Roughly many thousands of extremist Islamists will take down with them many millions of the Koran believers and I can tell you right now and here that the Koran is a beautiful Book, if you can read it. I am a Jew and I believe in the God of Abraham and Moses but brothers, I love Jesus – and not because He was a Jew, but because His love to us – I respect very much the Holly Father, Francis and He really touch something in me when He is talking and I also respect the faith in the Prophet Muhammad, of the Muslims, who gave them the Koran, the word of God ( in their accept). You see, everything is good and holly around us with the exception of those criminal jihadists, who took the word ” jihad” from the Koran, which means ”struggle” with yourself, to be a better Muslim, and turned it into a ”struggle” against the rest of the humanity who doesn’t share exactly their beliefs.
September 25, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Are you respecting the freaking koran , you are out of your mind,
And you are wrong whit that jihad thing.
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YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
PICKTHAL: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
SHAKIR: Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
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YUSUFALI: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-
PICKTHAL: Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives. Allah hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive a great reward above the sedentary;
SHAKIR: The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah’s way with their property and their persons are not equal; Allah has made the strivers with their property and their persons to excel the holders back a (high) degree, and to each (class) Allah has promised good; and Allah shall grant to the strivers above the holders back a mighty reward:
Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52:
Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:
Narrated Abdullah bin Masud:
I asked Allah’s Apostle, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is the best deed?” He replied, “To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times.” I asked, “What is next in goodness?” He replied, “To be good and dutiful to your parents.” I further asked, what is next in goodness?” He replied, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” I did not ask Allah’s Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
Allah’s Apostle said, “There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 43:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
(That she said), “O Allah’s Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed. Should we not fight in Allah’s Cause?” He said, “The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur (i.e. Hajj which is done according to the Prophet’s tradition and is accepted by Allah).”
Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52:
Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:
Narrated Abdullah bin Masud:
I asked Allah’s Apostle, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is the best deed?” He replied, “To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times.” I asked, “What is next in goodness?” He replied, “To be good and dutiful to your parents.” I further asked, what is next in goodness?” He replied, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” I did not ask Allah’s Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
Allah’s Apostle said, “There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 43:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
(That she said), “O Allah’s Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed. Should we not fight in Allah’s Cause?” He said, “The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur (i.e. Hajj which is done according to the Prophet’s tradition and is accepted by Allah).”
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/052-sbt.php
Luis do not piss on my head and tell me it is raining, whit your respect for the islaam en your jihad.
Yep i can not hear or read that shit anymore
September 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Joop, hats up for your research and thanks. I always enjoy your works and comments here, really, and I respect you. So, Joop, a mutual respect language between us will be nice and I’m sure you share this opinion. ”Luis do not piss on my head and tell me it is raining, whit your respect for the islaam en your jihad” – I laughed when I read that (it was very funny) but I didn’t like that. Especially when you were inexact with ”your respect for the islaam en your jihad.” I don’t respect jihad, my friend. I only said that this word was out of context interpreted by the jihadists, the extremists.
Anyhow, your lines were a pleasure to read, so thanks again.
September 25, 2013 at 9:55 PM
Luis…
Wow! Now THAT’S class!
Your friend…
JW
September 27, 2013 at 5:42 AM
I couldn’t agree with you more.It is a very twisted and disturbing book.Nonetheless,I respect other folks beliefs,but of course up to a certain point.And I respect the Muslims belief the that Koran is their holy book.But it is not mine.One cannot lose sight that the motto for Islam is the sword or the Koran.Meaning convert or die by the sword.If you are a good muslim-you abide by the Koran.And the Koran clearly states the infidels or nonblievers shall be put to death.There is nothing more to say.And I am not going to put my survival or life in the hands of the supposedly peaceful moderate slient majority muslims.No siree. Just read the newspapers and see how christians are being slaughtered on a daily basis by muslims.The jews are on the crosshair sights of the muslims for total destruction.And they are not thinking or will be thinking that Abraham is the father of the three religions when they go for your head.
September 25, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Islam is terrorism, nothing moire nothing less.
The koran and the ahadith are the handbooks for the muslim murdering bunch of wako fighters, whit the blessing from allah and his mental Ill chief pervert mohamed.
September 25, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Joop…
This qualifies as hate speech in my book.
You can make your point about the Koran without mentally ill perverts, OK?
I didn’t delete it so you and everyone else could see this comment.
We gotta be better than them!
September 25, 2013 at 8:50 PM
Every word you wrote is right and it was really full of inspiration the fact that you permitted that kind of expression because we can show them – as you put it – that we are better than them(the extremists, I mean). And this is very similar with the situation in Israel, where after every grave terrorist act, the masses were yelling in the streets ” death to the Arabs” . It was clear that not ”all the Arabs” deserve death, but that was a spontaneous angry, hard to be controlled reaction, when a big terror event is happening.
I feel the angry of Joop, but we cannot throw the Koran into fire.
September 26, 2013 at 1:37 AM
time will learn in the hard way.
Qur’an 2:43 “[Jews] Perform prayer; pay the zakat tax; bow down and prostrate yourself with Ar-Raki’un (the obedient bowers). You read, recite, and study the Scripture. Why don’t you understand? Nay, seek [Islamic prostration] prayer: It is indeed hard, heavy, and exacting, except for those who obey in submission.”
except for those who obey in submission.”
except for those who obey in submission.”
except for those who obey in submission.”
And that is what islam exactly is a full submission.
Luis, i,am not angry to mo slims or even the koran i understand that, i do not like it at all but i understand it.
I,am angry to people whit a brain and still refusing to see the reality from the truth written in the for eternally unchangeable koran.
And to people who tell me i write hate speech wile i just refer to the holy scriptures.
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”
September 25, 2013 at 10:55 PM
Honestly, I don’t know what to say to all this. I’m totally dumfounded hearing all this from two dedicated Jewish guys . I’m sorry, as long as Islam is used by thousands of followers with the silent consent of millions of other followers to kill and maim on the scale we see today, I have to side with Joop on this one.
September 26, 2013 at 1:52 AM
JW sins when is telling the truth hate speech, i suppose you have knowledge about khaybar
Is calling nazi, s perverted mental sick people because they gassed jews ??
what is the difference between a marketplace where the holy prophet decapitated 800 jewisch kids and man enslaved the women and girls.
Khaybar Khaybar, ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad, sa yahud
Be better than them and embrace the truth instead spinning around in an islamic fashion.
September 25, 2013 at 8:40 PM
I wont argue with you and surely I wont ”hurt” you by lecturing about being politically correct and all that stuff, for I’m sure you know all that at least as I know it. However, I can tell you – if I may – that putting all the Muslims in the same bag might be a grave mistake. If only we could see the ”regular”, moderate Muslims making a stand against the extremists who emerged a long time ago from their own religion. If…But that wont happen. As we all know, sometimes History has a life of its own and its events now will take a path of their own. There will be a War. Millions of Muslims will die, as it happened in Germany, which embraced the Nazis and millions of Germans died in that war.. And not only Muslims will die in this war. Eventually, a much better world will emerge from this tragedy. At least, we can hope.
September 25, 2013 at 11:05 PM
I submit that Nazi Germany was full of moderate Germans as well. Then the unthinkable and absolute worse travesty on mankind happened under everyone’s noses. Moderate Muslims verses the extremists? If they do exist in large numbers, they will probably have as much success as the moderate Germans…none. The ‘brown shirts’ saw to that.
September 26, 2013 at 2:15 AM
Yep , and the millions of moderates where standing whit the arms high .
But you can always say : Wir haben es nicht gewußt
Ask the mo slim when he starts to decapitated if he was a moderate, he will tell you : yes i was till allah calls me to perform my holy duty,s and fight in allah,s way.
If they wanna kill you , better believe them,it is a lot safer
Is this hate speech again ?
September 26, 2013 at 2:23 AM
The similarity between a beetle ( Kübelwagen ) and 70 virgins is a prophet and a lot of dead people. Special Jews.
September 26, 2013 at 2:31 AM
JW, why is my comment awaiting moderation?
September 26, 2013 at 6:46 AM
I have no Idea, artaxes. I was asleep. Ask WordPress….
September 26, 2013 at 2:39 AM
JW i call a pervert a pervert, you may call it hate speech and be better than me.
Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”
September 26, 2013 at 2:40 AM
About jihad
the Book of Jihad , on page 580 of Maktba Dar-us-Salam’s publication of Sahih Al-Bukhari : “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty dies as a hypocrite.”
September 26, 2013 at 3:00 AM
About the perverted mental ill prophet
Gas chamber, trenches and angels., but i,am writting hate speech !
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.”
“As they were being taken in small groups to the Prophet, they said to one another, ‘What do you think will be done to us.’ Someone said, ‘Do you not understand. On each occasion do you not see that the summoner never stops? He does not discharge anyone. And that those who are taken away do not come back. By God, it is death!’ The affair continued until the Messenger of Allah had finished with them all.”
Tabari VIII:40 “The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence.”
A nice roll model for the moderate mo slims,
September 26, 2013 at 3:13 AM
I can go one and one about the mental sickness called islam and his followers.
But it will be hate speech even if i use the words of the holy allah and his prophet, but time will learn, i hope it will not be to late, but my hope is against my pragmatic realistic thinking.
But if i learned one thing from history it will be
IF THEY TELL YOU THEY WANNA KILL YOU , BETTER BELIEVE THEM.
September 27, 2013 at 5:54 AM
Amen.
September 26, 2013 at 4:05 AM
Hi Luis, I’m baaaaack!
I must agree with Joop and LS. The evil that infected Germany in the form of the Nazis has resurrected itself in Islam. Same evil same intent. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, where is the indignation from the “moderates” ? Precious few have raised up and said anything about the murder and the subjugation of women. No indignation no moderates. PC has infected and blinded many.
September 26, 2013 at 6:47 AM
Weeell come, John ! I’m happy that you have overcome that your little crisis and are in good spirits again.
Peace, love and understanding, man. In fact,
” All you need is love ” .
September 26, 2013 at 7:35 AM
I like to think about myself as a fair person. After saying that, we can say that Joop might have a big point in his assertion, after all.
I found this http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Aisha_Age_of_Consummation and I have to say the things are pretty severe regarding all this Muhammad business.
However, I still respect the moderate Muslims and not because the person of Muhammad, but for them, as human beings, believing sincerely in something – even though their prophet was a problematic person.
September 26, 2013 at 12:09 PM
Luiis, sorry if my words to you come over as harsh and disrespectful
But whit this sentence from you .
quote :.
I still respect the moderate Muslims and not because the person of Muhammad, but for them, as human beings, believing sincerely in something – even though their prophet was a problematic person.
Unquote :
are you so complete on the wrong track, yo have really no understanding of the islam, i understand that because you are a enlightened person who have adopted the we are all equal adagio, we are all willing the same, but reality that is just a step further in your enlightenment will learn you that having respect for your killer is a form of suicide.
Lets do a godwin
You are respecting a nazi because he is still not a camp commander but as human beings, believing sincerely in something – even though his prophet was a problematic person.
Wake up see the structure from the islam, there is no free will, allah and his prophet has lay down the big plan for peace in the world
They call it dar al islaam as long there is a part of the world dar al harb there will be fighting for allah.
In times at a very low level , at times trough demographic processes and in time by pure violence.
Peace lays in the shadow of the sword.
Start reading the islamic dreck by yourself , start whit the koran en the ahadith.
This is islaam, a mental sick perverted ideology to conquer the world.
Qur’an 4:65 “They can have no Faith, until they make you (Muhammad) judge in all disputes, and find in their souls no resistance against Your decisions, accepting them with complete submission.”
Qur’an 33:21 “You have indeed a noble paradigm in the Apostle of Allah.” [A second translation reads:] “You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone to follow.” [A third reads:] “Verily in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example for him who looks unto Allah and the Last Day.” [A fourth reads:] “Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent prototype.” [A fifth says:] “You have indeed a noble paradigm [archetype, exemplar, standard, model, or pattern] to follow in Allah’s Apostle.”
Qur’an 33:36 “No Muslim has any choice after Allah and His Apostle have decided a matter.”
Qur’an 33:36 “No Muslim has any choice after Allah and His Apostle have decided a matter.”
So we dealing whit a problematic system of ruling and controlling the followers, call it the islam.
How moderate are the moderates if they have full knowledge of the koraan en the ahadith , wiil they tear out 90% from the koraan en the ahadith or will they follow the rules if they are compelled to them by the knowledge one,s
Will the nazi be a camp commander if his prophet ask for it.
Qur’an 24:62 “Only those are believers in Allah and His Messenger who, when they are with him on a matter requiring collective action, do not depart until they have asked for his permission. Deem not the summons of the Messenger like the summons of one of you. Allah knows those who slip away, making excuses. Beware of rejecting the Messenger’s orders lest a grievous penalty be inflicted.”
Are you willing to take that risk whit million of your peoples live at stake.
I NOT, i do not have flowers in my hair, to be honest there is not much hear left
See the beast for what it is .lay down your pink glasses.
Furthermore the word respect is so misused.
I do respect the right of a person to have an opinion and to express this opinion, but it do not have respect per definition for the opinion at it self’s, that are two different things.
So respectfully i disrespect the followers from the sick islaam , moderate or not.I do not play cheating games
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.”
You see Luis i,am a half Jew and worse an atheist, i,am even not allowed tp pay the zakad, i have to be killed.
Respect that , says obama !
So you know it now , i respectfully refuse to walk freely to a gas chamber.
And i writing hate speech, my ass !!
September 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM
The problem is not with the content, Joop. Don’t you get it? The problem is with the tone, the epithets, the insults etc.
Islam deserves all of the above, I agree.
Just not on this site. This is an intellectual venue, not a war zone.
Plenty of cool sites out there where invective is welcomed, but here it distracts from the site’s purpose.
Joop, you and I are buddies. Please stop with the anger about the “hate speech.” It’s was simply shorthand for what I want to avoid here.
September 27, 2013 at 6:13 AM
JW with all due respect Joop does not come across to me as angry.Without a doubt you know him more than I do since I have recently started to read the comments section of your site and post some as well.Joop comes across to me as someone that is unmasking Islam.But this is your site and clearly one must abide by the rules of your site.I can respect that.
September 27, 2013 at 6:20 AM
caliz….
Joop is one of the most valued contributors to this site as well as a friend of mine.
My request to him was purely about tone, not content, and I made that abundantly clear to everybody.
I’m stuck with the unenviable responsibility of preserving the level of discourse here. When dealing with Islam and Israel, that isn’t easy, y’know?
Please give me a break, OK?
September 26, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Joop, as we once were saying it in Romanian : ” the tone is making the music.” Its not enough to be right – if any -, you have to stay wise, too. Joop, my respectable friend – and I mean it – you just cannot say to 1.6 billion Muslims in this World ” fu@k yourselves!” . You can not and may not say that to them. That’s all.
September 26, 2013 at 12:58 PM
To Joop : Lets put aside the nice language and the politically correctness for a moment. Lets get real with that comparison between the Nazis and the extremist Islam. I myself used it once here, on this forum. But here is the problem: The Muslims cannot – and don’t deserve – to have their Dresden or Hiroshima, yet, because they didn’t do all the ”stuff” the Nazis did. I’m already hearing you saying ” you’ll wait for that to happen?” and I’ll tell you this : in Israel, my country, was a period of time with lots of ”small” acts of terror and the population was angry and I was angry but Arik Sharon – the PM in those days – waited till something grave happened and then he terminated them in full force. You cannot make use of strong means unless you have the public opinion fully on your side. I live this truth every day in Israel. All my best.
September 26, 2013 at 1:26 PM
What radical Islam and the Nazis have in common. Quest for world domination, murder whoever gets in their way. Evil is evil no matter how you try to spin it. I see no one on this site preaching hate. There are realist and idealist on this sight. A realist sees what actually going on, and idealist see what they wished was going on. IMHO
September 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Time will learn , and i think Israel will be lost in the conglomerate of the western power block, just a matter of time if they are lucky, in the big picture Israel is of no importance and can easily be thrown under the bus, as we have done several times whit other country,s and people.
Wait and you see what will happen, do yo think Israel has the public opinion on there side if they go for iran at the moment ??
Do you not see the shift in the geo politics. the iran deal coupled at the palestinian shit
We can be intellectual and political correct , but it will not change a thing.
We have to shake up the people whit the hard truth, so that they are mental ready for what is coming.
We have to stop hiding the truth behind the veils of so called intellectual political correctness, for me it is not even intellectual but pure stupidity used as tool by the agenda makers.
Just loud and clear bringing correct information is the only weapon we have.
In this way we can wake up the people and change the public opinion.
Do you think that if it gets really hot in the middle east , the rest from the world will notice nothing, there will be fights in the streets al over the western world, the moderate mo slims are arming there self’s already for what is coming, we the political correct zombies are weak and they know it.
I,am saying this for many years now, and little by little it seems that i,am right, that give me no pleasure , please let me be complete wrong
But i agree the site rules are the site rules, and if my political not correct comments are not welcome I will stop whit it.
September 26, 2013 at 4:59 PM
Joop me thinks you’ve been hitting the nail on the head for somtime now. I also see the Western world leaving Israel to its own devices. Sad but true. I’ve been a business man for many years. Deals are made when benifical for both parties. As I’ve said before, Israel is no longer the 11th aircraft carrier protecting US strategic oil reserves. As far as some in American politics and business think, Israel no longer offers the benifits it once did.
Other deals can be cut that service their interest better! This is a brass knukles business to some and they do not care who gets run over as long as theres a better deal to be mad and their interests are served.
September 26, 2013 at 6:08 PM
Rohani: “Israel must join non-nuclear treaty”. And there you have it!
Iran will give up its nuclear ambitions if Israel gives up its nukes. Of course Israel can’t therefore Iran must have. The back peddling that began in Oslo is now turning into a rout.
September 26, 2013 at 6:23 PM
You may heard of the Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin assassination and there is people in Israel who think that it was linked to Oslo agreements, which you mentioned. What is your opinion in this regard?
September 26, 2013 at 6:37 PM
To equate Israel having nukes to Iran having them is like equating putting a rabbit in front of a sheep or in front of a hyena.
False equivalence is the modus operendi of the vile nations that have plagued the world in modern history.
September 26, 2013 at 6:43 PM
Yes, Joseph. But can we here, please, being honored with a classy explanation from John Prophet regarding the link between Oslo and the Iranian nukes? I ask that because of that Oslo thing he just pulled off.
September 26, 2013 at 6:44 PM
JW could not agree more, but that’s the tact they will try.
September 26, 2013 at 6:49 PM
Luis, what is your major malfunction? Years ago Israel was admired around the world has that plucky little nation not to messed with. Now everyone is messing with it. IMHO that proccess began with OSLO. Once your enemy realized they could push and you’d step back, well they’ve just kept on pushing ever since. And now the whole world is pushing. So my friend why do you think that is so?
September 26, 2013 at 6:49 PM
We still didn’t get any answer regarding the link between Oslo and the Iranian nukes, John Prophet. Please, enlighten us in that regard.
September 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM
He did answer, Luis.
His position is that by showing weakness at Oslo, Israel opened the door to all our enemies to come after us.
I’m not sure Oslo was what did it, but there’s no doubt Israel’s deterrence has been severely hurt over the last decades.
I always considered our failure to respond to Saddam’s scuds on Tel Aviv to be a catastrophic mistake, albeit a short term advantage visa vie the Americans.
September 26, 2013 at 6:58 PM
“big things have small beginnings” Nukes and promising to destroy Israel, well, it dosn’t get any pushier than that. Do you truly not get it?
September 26, 2013 at 7:16 PM
JW please srike my last comment. Thanks JP
September 26, 2013 at 7:25 PM
It was struck already, together with the Luis post that prompted it.
Both of you have to coutth up the act. NOW!
September 27, 2013 at 6:18 AM
Amen.
September 26, 2013 at 3:06 PM
And do not forget it is a wat broader than the existence of Israel its is the surviving of the free world, the gates are closing the bar are rising, the locks are greased and so we end up in the new world if we not are wakening up very soon , if it is not already to late.
September 27, 2013 at 6:19 AM
Very true.It goes beyond Israel.
September 26, 2013 at 4:23 PM
To Joseph : Thanks for your last post regarding General Patton. Great man. Strong speech. Napoleonic in essence; it reminds us the speech Bonaparte gave to its army before the Italian Campaign.
Patton’s words are a fine reflection of the American soul, which was so dear and close to him. A great man.
September 26, 2013 at 7:44 PM
Great man that Patton….
“”In case of doubt, attack.”
I was honored to see his son, Maj. Gen. George S. Patton III, demonstrate some tank maneuvers years ago in Houston.
September 26, 2013 at 8:08 PM
LS….
I want you to know that you are one of the main reasons I spent hours in order to get that clip posted.
You have the American spirit that I grew up with through the influence of my father.
Reading your “in your face” posts made me hopeful that America really will come back. It will take guts and dedication to make it happen, and you have both.
You, and others like you make me proud of my birth country. I hope the people of Israel make you proud of America’s positive contribution to the world.
Hang tough, my friend…..
JW
September 26, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Deeply appreciated JW. It’s an honor getting to know you and your many friends here online. With so much of our Christian faith grounded in the State of Israel, I feel compelled to be one more soul in the support of Israel. Hang tight my friend. The USA will bounce back as Israel lights the way and serves as a constant reminder of what the USA was and can be once again.
September 27, 2013 at 1:02 PM
The more I see of Arabs the less I think of them. By having studied them a good deal I have found out the trouble. They are the mixture of all the bad races on earth, and they get worse from west to east, because the eastern ones have had more crosses.
Letter to Frederick Ayers (5 May 1943), published in The Patton Papers 1940-1945 (1996) edited by Martin Blumenson, p. 243
In the second place, Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.
Diaries, General Patton : A Soldier’s Life (2002) by Stanley P. Hirshson, p. 661
He was a great general , crazy sure but a great general.
September 27, 2013 at 3:14 PM
General Patton was a decisive leader in WWII whereby he fortified the American troops at Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge (of which my Dad played a part), and advanced his army into Nazi Germany by the end of the war. As a result of his many victories, the war was won and the Jewish people who survived the Holocaust were finally freed from the crushing fist of Nazism.
He was quoted saying many controversial things, many of which were the views of a lot of folks in those long past days. But I’m in the opinion that ‘crazy’ is an the best way to describe General Patton. I prefer to call him ‘heroic” for did and not what he might have said, especially when most quotes are taken out of context.
September 27, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Damn….typo. ‘crazy’ is an the best way’ All this babble typing should have said, “‘crazy’ is not the best way”
Sorry.
September 27, 2013 at 2:20 PM
“They are the mixture of all the bad races on earth” Becareful here Joop. There no bad races, just brainwashed ones. IMHO.
September 28, 2013 at 2:38 AM
It was Patton not me
September 28, 2013 at 2:41 AM
Sorry misread, my bad…
September 27, 2013 at 4:53 PM
I just wonder what Old Bood’n guts would think if he were alive today.
He can thank the Lord that he didn’t have to serve under such moronic, incompetent leadership and insane rules of engagement as America’s soldiers have to today.
Anyway, he was a great soldier and great leader. Admired and hated. Feared and respected by his enemies. The stuff of legends.
Here is the famous speech from the movie ‘Patton’ (audio only).
September 27, 2013 at 7:21 PM
Artaxes, I guess you missed my exchange about this with LS yesterday.
I uploaded an HD version in his and the other great Americans here honor.
Patton's Opening speech to the troops – George… by josephwouk
September 27, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Thank you, VERY; VERY MOUCH.
I LOVE IT.
September 27, 2013 at 5:02 PM
The famous weather prayer:
“Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations.”
September 27, 2013 at 9:13 PM
Actually, the real Patton speech was more graphic and had to be sanitized for the movie.
You can read the most accurate account of the speech and also all the interesting background from this site:
http://pattonhq.com/speech.html
“… Scott’s rendition of the speech was highly sanitized so as not to offend too many fainthearted Americans. Luckily, the soldiers of the American Army who fought World War II were not so fainthearted …”
“… Major General Cook then introduced Lieutenant General Simpson, whose Army was still in America, preparing for their part in the war.
“We are here”, said General Simpson, “to listen to the words of a great man. A man who will lead you all into whatever you may face with heroism, ability, and foresight. A man who has proven himself amid shot and shell. My greatest hope is that some day soon, I will have my own Army fighting with his, side by side.”
General Patton arose and strode swiftly to the microphone. The men snapped to their feet and stood silently. Patton surveyed the sea of brown with a grim look. “Be seated”, he said. The words were not a request, but a command. The General’s voice rose high and clear.
“Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.”
The General paused and looked over the crowd. “You are not all going to die,” he said slowly. “Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he’s not, he’s a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they ARE He Men. Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen.”
“All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call “chicken shit drilling”. That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don’t give a fuck for a man who’s not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn’t be here. You are ready for what’s to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you’re not alert, sometime, a German son-of-an-asshole-bitch is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sockful of shit!” The men roared in agreement.
Patton’s grim expression did not change. “There are four hundred neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily”, he roared into the microphone, “All because one man went to sleep on the job”. He paused and the men grew silent. “But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did”. The General clutched the microphone tightly, his jaw out-thrust, and he continued, “An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horse shit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about fucking!”
The men slapped their legs and rolled in glee. This was Patton as the men had imagined him to be, and in rare form, too. He hadn’t let them down. He was all that he was cracked up to be, and more. He had IT!
“We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world”, Patton bellowed. He lowered his head and shook it pensively. Suddenly he snapped erect, faced the men belligerently and thundered, “Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-bitches we’re going up against. By God, I do”. The men clapped and howled delightedly. There would be many a barracks tale about the “Old Man’s” choice phrases. They would become part and parcel of Third Army’s history and they would become the bible of their slang.
“My men don’t surrender”, Patton continued, “I don’t want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That’s not just bull shit either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!”
Patton stopped and the crowd waited. He continued more quietly, “All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don’t ever let up. Don’t ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain. What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn’t like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly bastard could say, “Hell, they won’t miss me, just one man in thousands”. But, what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like? No, Goddamnit, Americans don’t think like that. Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. The Quartermaster is needed to bring up food and clothes because where we are going there isn’t a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man on K.P. has a job to do, even the one who heats our water to keep us from getting the ‘G.I. Shits’.”
Patton paused, took a deep breath, and continued, “Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don’t want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men. One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, “Fixing the wire, Sir”. I asked, “Isn’t that a little unhealthy right about now?” He answered, “Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed”. I asked, “Don’t those planes strafing the road bother you?” And he answered, “No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!” Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the road to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren’t combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable.”
The General paused and stared challengingly over the silent ocean of men. One could have heard a pin drop anywhere on that vast hillside. The only sound was the stirring of the breeze in the leaves of the bordering trees and the busy chirping of the birds in the branches of the trees at the General’s left.
“Don’t forget,” Patton barked, “you men don’t know that I’m here. No mention of that fact is to be made in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell happened to me. I’m not supposed to be commanding this Army. I’m not even supposed to be here in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the Goddamned Germans. Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, ‘Jesus Christ, it’s the Goddamned Third Army again and that son-of-a-fucking-bitch Patton’.”
“We want to get the hell over there”, Patton continued, “The quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit.”
The men roared approval and cheered delightedly. This statement had real significance behind it. Much more than met the eye and the men instinctively sensed the fact. They knew that they themselves were going to play a very great part in the making of world history. They were being told as much right now. Deep sincerity and seriousness lay behind the General’s colorful words. The men knew and understood it. They loved the way he put it, too, as only he could.
Patton continued quietly, “Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin”, he yelled, “I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I’d shoot a snake!”
“When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don’t dig foxholes. I don’t want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don’t give the enemy time to dig one either. We’ll win this war, but we’ll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we’ve got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We’re not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we’re going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You’ve got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it’s the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you’ll know what to do!”
“I don’t want to get any messages saying, “I am holding my position.” We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy’s balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!”
“From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don’t give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.”
The General paused. His eagle like eyes swept over the hillside. He said with pride, “There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON’T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, “Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.” No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, “Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!”