First US-Russian air clash builds up as Moscow orders US planes to exit Syrian air space
First US-Russian air clash builds up as Moscow orders US planes to exit Syrian air space, DEBKAfile, September 30, 2015
Russian warplanes head to Syria
A day after the White House said that “clarity” on Russian intentions in Syria had been achieved at the Obama-Putin summit in New York, the Russian President Vladimir Putin notched up the military tensions around Syria Wednesday, Sept. 30. A senior US official said that Russian diplomats had sent an official demarche ordering US planes to quit Syria, adding that Russian fighter jets were now flying over Syrian territory. US military sources told Fox News that US planes would not comply with the Russian demand. “There is nothing to indicate that we are changing operations over Syria,” a senior defense official said.
Earlier, Putin sought from the Russian upper house, the Federation Council, authorization for the use of military force abroad. He did not specify the country or region, but the only part of the world where Russia is currently building up its ground, air and naval forces outside the country is Syria.
A short time after the request, the Federation Council announced that it had unanimously authorized the use of Russian military force in Syria. The last time Putin sought this authorization was in early 2014 when he decided to annex the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine. His action now contradicts his assertion to CBS on Sept. 28: “Russia will not participate in any troop operations in the territory of Syria or in any other states. Well, at least we don’t plan on it right now.”
DEBKAfile’s military sources report that Russian preparations for military action in Syria are clearly not limited to that country. They are being run by a joint coordination forward command and war room established a few days ago by Russia, Iran, Iraq and Syria in Baghdad. It is designed as the counterpart of the US Central Command-Forward-Jordan war room established north of Amman for joint US-Saudi-Qatari-Israeli-Jordanian and UAE operations in support of Syrian rebel operations against the Assad regime.
Two rival power war rooms are therefore poised at opposite ends of the Syrian arena – one representing a US-led alliance for operations against Assad, and the other a Russian-led group which is revving up to fight on his behalf.
Conspicuous in the swiftly evolving Syrian situation is the detailed advance planning which went into the Russian military buildup and partnerships, and the slow perception of what was going on, on the part of the United States and Israel.
Tuesday, US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter instructed his staff to establish a communication channel with the Kremlin to ensure the safety of US and Russian military operations and “avoid conflict in the air” between the two militaries. The Russian defense ministry shot back with a provocative stipulation that coordination with the US must go through Baghdad, an attempt to force Washington to accept that the two war rooms would henceforth communicate on equal terms.
Israel’s Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon denied Tuesday night that Israel was coordinating its operations with the Russian army, stressing that Israel reserves the IDF’s right to freedom of action over Syria and would continue to prevent arms supplies reaching terrorist organizations such as Hizballah.
Meanwhile, six advanced Russian SU-34 strike fighter jets landed at Latakia’s Al-Assad international airport, after flying to their destination through Iraqi airspace.
The Russian military buildup is assuming far greater proportions than either imagined, far outpacing US or Israeli efforts at coordination.
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WarSclerotic 
September 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM
OK, all you Pollyannas out there, tell me now how things are going to be all right. Joe? Anyone?
As foretold: “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
Iran has its EU/USA deal in its hip pocket and Russia as its military ally. Iran and Russia are turning Syria into a military staging area and Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map. Is anyone here having trouble connecting to dots. If so, you’re brain dead.
Who would intervene on Israel’s behalf? The EU? Obama? Start WWlll over a country run by a man with zero gravitas. FORGETABOUTIT.
IT IS WRITTEN.
September 30, 2015 at 6:13 PM
Exactly , and that is why it is so important for Israel to find common ground with Russia , to hold iran of !
I told here before, the west has thrown bigger country,s under the bus than Israel and will do it again or have done it again.
September 30, 2015 at 6:51 PM
I agree with joop.
Israel NEEDS to collaborate with Russia.
Having said that, I don’t agree with JP that this could be the beginning of WW III.
And finally, why should anyone send their people to die on behalf of another country?
Let Israel defend themselves should they feel really threatened.
September 30, 2015 at 8:39 PM
Israel never ask other country,s to fight for them , they ask to stay out of Israel business, as the whole freaking world is doing the opposite !
October 1, 2015 at 1:23 AM
“Having said that, I don’t agree with JP that this could be the beginning of WW III.”
You are correct, there will be no WWIII, because when they do come for Israel (and they will) no one will engage on behalf of Neville Netanyahu.
Israel will be on its own. But, as we know thanks to Wingate, Israel need to worry, because lighting bolts will come from the heavens smything all that come against Israel. Ummm kind of makes you wonder why Israel spent any money at all on weapons….
October 1, 2015 at 1:53 AM
WW III perhaps not, but a heavy war i see in the future , it is written , how we call it after the smoke is gone , we will see.
JK prophecies : 12345
October 1, 2015 at 2:05 AM
Well Joop, we finally agree on something. I too see a shitstorm on the horizon. Russia/Iran will not pussyfoot around with Israel. The “Gathering Storm”⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ approaches.
“JK prophecies : 12345” 😂😂😂😂 I like and approve!!!!!!
October 1, 2015 at 3:40 AM
we agreed upon a lot more in the past, but nice to have you back .
October 1, 2015 at 2:27 AM
JP,
I also think a big, regional war might happen, but no WW III.
Not sure if your comment on wingate is sarcastic or not…
October 1, 2015 at 2:33 AM
David, sarcasm reigns……
October 1, 2015 at 3:01 AM
Ha, ha, ha.
JP, thanks a lot for the clarification.
For a moment (and sorry for it), I thought you had also gone to the “nuts” side.
I’m very relieved to read that you haven’t…
October 1, 2015 at 3:03 AM
What Neville Netanyahu wrought.
Ya’alon can talk tough and all, but Israel will watch tons of Russian/Iranian armaments flowing into Syria and Lebanon and do NOTHING. Hezzbollah will be stuffed with sophisticated offensive and defensive weapons and Israel will do nothing. The Golan heights will be filled with Russian and Iranian weapons and Israel will do nothing!
Quite simply,
Israel is no longer the alpha carnivore in the Middle East!!!
As foretold.
“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
Winston S. Churchill
Israel as now approached the worse case.
It is written.
October 1, 2015 at 4:21 AM
https://youtu.be/9Z7vWEoogWs
October 1, 2015 at 3:34 AM
David, religion has been the bane of humanity. People claiming they speak to and for God, and telling other people what to believe and how to behave. Religion is nothing more than a way to power and control.
I separate religion from the concept of the great maker who I believe exists or existed. But religion is just mankind’s attempt to understand and control the message. My God is better than your God, so do as we say. In radical Islam it’s believe as we do or we’ll cut your head off. In Christianity, it’s believe as we do or your doomed to eternal damnation. See any real difference in the message? I don’t, simply submitt is the message I get from both.
Millions have died over the millennia in the name of religion. Wars have been fought by foes that believe God therefore right was on their side.
Religion has people like Wingate spouting that the God,the maker of all that is seen and not seen. The maker of an existance that man is not capable of fully understanding has somehow chosen a speck of a tribe on a spect of a place as his chosen above all else in existance. Yup David, nuts it in fact is.
October 1, 2015 at 3:42 AM
Are you referring to Bob the builder in the heavenly neo dada art studio ?
October 1, 2015 at 3:46 AM
“Are you referring to Bob the builder in the heavenly neo dada art studio ?”
Something like that.
Since we don’t know what’s possible, anything is possible!
October 1, 2015 at 3:49 AM
Yep , we see the results every day, they need a new engineer in the art studio, the old one is stocked in time . .
October 1, 2015 at 4:38 AM
Joop, INFO WARS? Really? Oy Vey!!!!!
October 1, 2015 at 5:41 AM
I know alu alex !, but the info from putin himself counts.
October 1, 2015 at 12:34 PM
I fully agree with both you.
As I say, “In the beginning, man created god…”.
All religions in the world are just a way/mean to control the masses.
It seems pretty puzzling to me that well into the 21st century, in the era of technology, genetics, robotics, space travel, etc…
there are so many millions of fanatics believing a bunch of lies written by tribal retarded morons.
Anyway, thanks to both for your intelligent points of view.
September 30, 2015 at 9:16 PM
Polls: Israelis want US, Europe to attack Syria, but against IDF intervention – JPost 8-30-2013
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Polls-Israelis-want-US-Europe-to-attack-Syria-but-against-IDF-intervention-324787
Never say never. – LS
September 30, 2015 at 10:41 PM
LS,
thanks for that info.
It totally supports my point.
Sorry joop.
September 30, 2015 at 11:26 PM
Sorry for what ?
I do not get it .