Israel, Ukraine and NATO

Israel, Ukraine and NATO – Artaxes’ brainbench.

By Charles Artaxes

This article is a response to an Op-ed titled “Israel must stay out of Ukraine crisis” by Elyakim Haetzni.
Before I begin I want to make clear for the reader not familiar with my writings that the name Obavez refers to the US president who reminds me more of Hugo Chavez than of an US president.
The author of the op-ed made some very good points that demonstrate that Putin is not motivated by hate or negative emotions towards Jews and Israel but that he is rather sympathetic towards Jews and Israel.
I agree with the author. For the time being Israel should stay out of the Ukraine crisis.
At the same time it seems to me that the author is somewhat naive.
It is very believable that Putin has some sentimental feelings and even sympathy for the Jews and Israel BUT he also supports Syria and Iran (both deadly enemies of Israel) very strongly and even doesn’t care if the Iranians get a nuke.
He is not driven by hate but he is a cool strategists who acts in his own selfinterest.
Iran is a figure in his game against the West. He will not let his sympathy for Jews get in the way of his ambitions. If his actions are bad for Israel then so be it. He will not hesitate one second and do what he has to do to win.
Israel for its part will do the same and act in its own self interest and do everything for its survival.
Israel actually has a very strong card: Syria.
If Israel acts decisively in Syria this may even force Putin to stop his expansionist policy in Eastern Europe.
It may even come to the point where Obavez and Putin come closer again and try to negotiate a solution.
While Obavez puts pressure on Israel to stop its action in Syria Putin stops his expansion in Eastern Europe.
As far as Eastern Ukraine is concerned, the party is not over.
The current Russian military buildup on the Ukrainian border seems to indicate that Putin wants to invade Eastern Ukraine.
How?
Perhaps he will play the Yugoslavian scenario. There is already an intensive propaganda campaign in the Russian media under way.
With the Ukrainians painted as fasciscts and nazis and reports about violence against ethnic Russians and Russophiles in the eastern parts of Ukraine.
There are reports of armed Ukrainian thugs threatening Russians. Whether these reports are true has not been independendly verified.
But one thing is clear: The Russian media deliberately incites hate and fear. In such a situation where national passions are high it does not take much to ignite an explosion.
Whether by a spontanious outbreak or through a manufactured terrorist attack, once the violence starts Russia will have the perfect pretext to invade claiming that the Russian army is in the Ukraine to protect the people and to restore law and order.
As far as the West is concerned Obavez already has made clear that the US will not act militarily in the Ukraine conflict and so far the US isn’t even willing to give Ukraine support in the form of military hardware thus turning the 1994 Budapest memorandum, which gave the Ukraine security assurances from the US and UK, into a worthless piece of paper.
Since Ukraine is not a NATO member NATO is neither willing nor obligated to help the Ukraine militarily.
In my analysis if Putin wants Eastern Ukraine, it is already gone to Russia. The West will not prevent him from grabbing the parts of Ukraine that he wants.
The real test for NATO would come if Putin thinks he can play the same game in other Eastern Europan countries which are NATO members.
Estonia for example has a 25% ethnic Russian population. If that happens all bets are off. Estonia will invoke article 5 of NATO which obligates all members of NATO to give military assistence.
If, and I stress IF that happens two things will be the possible result:
War between NATO and Russia.
OR
The end of NATO.
The best thing for NATO to do is: impose the strongest possible sanctions and support Ukraine with weapons, military hardware and trainers if Putin goes ahead and grabs Eastern Ukraine and whether he invades Ukraine or not NATO needs to put the militaries in Eastern Europe on a hightened state of alert and a military buildup must also take place (with deployments from other NATO countries).
This would be a signal that this is the red line Putin will not be allowed to cross.
Which moves Putin makes next does not depend so much on his actual strength or NATO’s actual strength (which is definitely greater) but on how much he thinks the West is willing to oppose him.
Going back to Israel, I believe that sooner or later Israel will be in confrontation with Russia. Not a direct confrontation but through his allies Syria, Hisbollah and Iran.
But for the time being, I believe that Israel should stay out of the mess in Europe. The mess in the middle East is already big enough.

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6 Comments on “Israel, Ukraine and NATO”

  1. Norm's avatar Norm Says:

    Excellent analysis. I am confident that it is not “if” Russia challenges NATO, but when? Putin still has another three years of an Obama Presidency to bitch slap him around while he enjoys listening to his whining. Is it possible that Putin sees an opening to become, not just any Russian leader, but one of the greats of all time by destroying NATO?

    Personally, I don’t understand why we are even discussing even the possibility of helping Ukraine. I understand that a great human tragedy, over 150,000 are dead, is occurring in Syria and we are discussing the Ukraine? Are we that ethically and morally dead?

    • artaxes's avatar artaxes Says:

      That’s exactly the danger here. Destroying NATO without firing a shot. I’m not gonna tell how. Don’t want to give bad ideas to the wrong people.

      “Personally, I don’t understand why we are even discussing even the possibility of helping Ukraine. ”

      Budapest memorandum. That’s why.

      Syria is an issue that deserves a longer discussion.

  2. Louisiana Steve's avatar Louisiana Steve Says:

    I to enjoyed your essay AR. Keep ’em coming!

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that I don’t think Putin will challenge NATO. The stakes against NATO backing down are far too great and not worth the loss if NATO followed through and protected her assets.

    This doesn’t mean NATO countries are safe from Mr. Putin’s advances. It seems that as a typical conquering communist, he would infiltrate from within much that same as in Crimea and parts of the Ukraine then get the support he needs for legal annexation (much like we see today as Islam creeps into democratic societies throughout the world).

    The same could happen in a former eastern bloc NATO country. Though not likely, anything is possible with time. My only question is…will Putin have the patience?

  3. Justice for israel's avatar Justice for israel Says:

    AR thats naive putin is a full blown Nazi,Nor is he a clever strategist or chess player the opposite,i enjoyed reading your article it sounds just like the utter tripe coming out of the traitors Merkel and Schroeders mouths,Although your essay is a great essay its completely wrong you need to research much more detail in future and yes not israel not taking sides in this may well lead to israel being sidelined and dropped like a stone,Which is not in israels best interests,Its certainly in Germanys

    http://reason.com/archives/2014/03/23/russia-where-the-real-facists-are

    http://americablog.com/2014/03/jews-brought-holocaust-says-russian-state-tv-presenter.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Americablog+%28AMERICAblog+News+%29

    • artaxes's avatar artaxes Says:

      “i enjoyed reading your article it sounds just like the utter tripe ….”
      So, you are a masochist?

      “your essay is a great essay its completely wrong ….”
      Wow, essays that are completely wrong are great?

      Sorry man, I can’t take you seriously. To be frank, I’ve stopped taking you seriously about a year and a half ago or to be more precise after reading no more than 40 of your comments.
      I’ve given up trying to figure out which of your 40 different opinions on the same topic is the one you truly believe.
      I also find it funny, how many times you predicted in all seriousness dramatic events that never happened.
      I remember your last one: “next Monday … “.
      Well, several Mondays have come and gone. Nothing happened.
      But lest you accuse me that I attack your person instead of your arguments I’ll give you a brief response.

      Applying your kind of argumentation consistently I could tell you that your comments sounds like the bullshit coming from a five year old.
      No, I would not tell you why you would sound like a mentally disturbed person if I were to use this kind of argument.
      You see? That’s the beauty of it. No explanation required. No proof needed. And the best of all: Any moron can use it.
      Your attempt to liken me to a traitor is transparently pathetic, utterly weak and of course not backed with any kind of proof.
      I’ve read the piece about the real fascists being in Russia long ago. It nowhere shows that Putin is a nazi.
      That tells me that you are either dishonest if you have read and understood the article or if you have not understood it than you have other equally serious problems.
      If that is your level of research then it is you who needs to do better research.

      But now to the heart of your argument: “israel not taking sides in this may well lead to israel being sidelined and dropped like a stone”

      Give me a break. You mean, Isreal would be dropped like a stone just like Ukraine was dropped like a stone when it sided with the West?
      You mean, Israel should rely on assurances of the US/UK just as Ukraine did, when it gave up their nukes?

      I could give more reasons but that should suffice for the moment.


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