Israel’s flight simulator a valuable tool for combating Iran – YouTube
Israel’s flight simulator a valuable tool for combating Iran – YouTube.
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From Foxnews – Nov. 29 2013
When the need becomes unavoidable, Israel is ready…
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WarSclerotic 
November 29, 2013 at 6:00 PM
We are only a few days away from the last new moon of Fall 2013!
The next week will be absolutely critical…………..
November 29, 2013 at 6:42 PM
New moons mean very little to modern air warfare
November 29, 2013 at 6:50 PM
You say that so definitively. Do you have a source? Can you expound?
November 29, 2013 at 7:08 PM
Well if Israel gets the call to go immediately they will have to act whither its a new moon, half moon, no moon etc. Air combat cannot revolve around moon cycles that would limit options and indeed the Iranians will have every new moon marked on a calendar like I have lol.
With modern tech, night vision, thermal imaging, specialist flight controls, guided munitions etc, and if we are specifically talking about the IAF, they have IMO some of the most advanced aircraft and better onboard tech than most NATO countries.
The IAF could do the strike anytime of the year IMO, Summer, Winter, Autumn, Spring, cloudy, daytime, nighttime, anytime.
The Dambusters raid by the RAF on the dams in the Ruhr valley occurred when there was a full moon for maximum visibility. Today it is simply not necessary.
Working with NATO military simulators its amazing what can be done in zero light. Of course they are not the real thing, but the closest anyone will get to it.
November 29, 2013 at 7:19 PM
When there’s a moon even stealth planes can be visually identified and targeted, no?
Sometimes low tech defeats high tech in the right circumstances.
N. Vietnam brought down B-52s by giving up on guided missiles and switching to altitude based detonators.
November 29, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Exactly, in the right circumstances. The Serbs brought down a stealth F-117 and damaged another in 1999. Stealth can be defeated yes, in this case the Serb unit was using an outdated Russian radar and SAM system. A modern one would maybe not have picked it up.
November 30, 2013 at 3:59 AM
JW, yes and Israel has never bombed its enemies with stealthy planes.
I think the idea of conducting air raids during full moon makes predominant sense vis-a-vis less developed countries, exactly like Iraq or Syria. You can target their main AA assets with cruise missiles, but you cannot do much against bands of foes lurking in bushes around “Osirak” with shoulder launched missiles ready, hoping to catch your pilots off guard. I think this is what the new moon is great for, as it makes it really hard to notice the plane and thus to know where to aim.
If the push comes to shovel, much of the well dispersed Syrian/Iranian AA’s that have potential to hurt your boys will be first found and monitored for weeks, and then addressed electronicaly during the actual approach towards the places of interest. Remember Lebanon. The rest that cannot be currently neutralised in this way (potentially including the s400 systems – !?) will be met with long range missiles or something innovative like a drone.
Let’s face it, it is very unlikely that Israel could pull off a daring attack on Iranian nuclear industry without at least moderate losses among its air force. Iran is as prepared as it ever will be, and will no doubt regain some defence capacity within 30mins-1hr. oh yes, many planes will not make it back to their bases. at the same time Iranians have little faith that their air defence could at this time fence off such an attack. They understand that while any attack by Israel will not be deadly, it may have a highly detrimental effect on their enrichment capacity. It will most likely move them back anywhere between 1 and 3 years from a working nuclear device (though not the dirty bomb).
But Iranians are not the Iraqis or Syrians. Iran will not just take the hit quietly. Iran will then start a total war against your country, one aimed not at blitzkgrieg victory, but rather at long term resource depleting WW1 struggle of titans, which they think they can win because of their superior resource-base and because – they hope – America will not be helping you if they dont close Straits of Hormuz or attack any Western bases or units. They will fight without using weapons of mass destruction, making it nearly impossible for Israel to deploy their own. I think they want a war where they can fight you with their favourable numbers over a really long time, like the technologically backdated USSR defeated more advanced Germany in WW2. And this could only work out if the US abandonded Israel, or where preoccupied in a broader war.
I guess that Bibi is not worried whether Israel can attack and severly damage Iranian nuclear programme. He’s near certain of that. What is really stopping his hand is the realisation that Israel might really end up surrounded by a sea of enemies without any real Western assistance, because Iran will promise not to threaten their interests in the region as long as they stay away. There will be little sympathy from World public opinion towards Israel’s position, because despite what the Iranians had been saying in thepast, it was Israel who attacked Iran, not the other way around. So first Israel attacked Iran, and now France, UK, or US should attack Iran too although it was not Iran who started? – people will ask. No big job for western media to keep this version going on. Obama will be first to applaud Iran for not retaliating against the US interests. He will be so tied domestically at that point that Israel will be really on its own. At war with Iran, lebanon, Hamas, with no allies in this wild point in history of the Middle East where everyone hate Israel and want its demise. .No, thank you very much. I think that unilateral Israeli attack is possible to conduct but may bear just as dire consequences as the ‘wait and see’ option, but with the global aggressor sticker up on your forehead, and a potential loss of allies whose interests you would have put in jeopardy.
Maybe circumstances for a strike will become more favourable in the future, but for now its just espionage or diplomacy. Sorry for the lenght of this reply but its all so interconnected that in order to make a point you touch on many subjects. Best.
November 30, 2013 at 4:09 AM
Jac, you pretty much nailed it!!! Bravo….
November 30, 2013 at 7:22 PM
I forgot to mention that you get way more tide during full moon than you get during new moon. Important for beach landing. Not that Israel is contemplating any at the moment, bo the Russians apparently are in your neighbourhood.
November 29, 2013 at 7:23 PM
Yeah, but new moon means there is no light.
Air raids during this lunar phase make air defence more challenging for ground AA. While new moon gives no particular advantage for attacking USA, UK, or Russia, it may still be a bonus in raids against less advanced states like Libya or Iran, which partially still employ eyesight to spot/take down enemy aircraft using their obsolete AA systems. Then again, NATO assets simply outmanoeuvred Tripoli air defence (spotty lines of AA tracers in the sky).
New moon is for cover, not visibility.
November 29, 2013 at 7:26 PM
Indeed, I was thinking full moon, not new moon. I have no idea why I still to this day think new moon equals full moon.
November 29, 2013 at 8:21 PM
LOL – When I was younger I sometimes confused new moon with full moon.
Anyway both the Israeli strike against Iraq in 1981 and against Syria in 2007 came close to new moons. So there is definitely precedent there.
November 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM
@defencetoday – thats because you haven’t read the twilight saga! But seriously, the two an be mixed a lot.
November 29, 2013 at 8:17 PM
JW,
If one were to poll the Israeli public, do you think most expect war soon? Or will they be surprised if it happens before end of year?
Are people just going about their daily routines or are there noticeable changes?
I think here in the US it is a mixed bag. The press is trying hard to further the myth that the Geneva deal will stop Iran, or at the very least slow Iran and stop Israeli military action. But I think a lot of Americans (perhaps even the majority) won’t be surprised if war breaks out before the end of year.
November 29, 2013 at 8:26 PM
By the way, I think in America a growing number of us (not just the far right) have grown so distrustful of Obama and the media that we expect the opposite of whatever they say now.
Especially with everything that Obama has done in the last year with all the scandals, Syria, Obamacare, etc. Not too many actually believe this “deal” is worth more than toilet paper!